Floyd Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Robinson, P4P

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Shakur Stevenson thinks Floyd is too modern and advanced for the 147 lb version of SRR and would win comfortably. Anyone agree?

 

Well, Newark is known for crack addicts, so...

 

"Too advanced"

Robinson had about 200 pro fights and retired in 1965, not 1895.

 

For these young guys, anybody who fought pre-1990 is a caveman.

It dont take a goddamn rocket scientist to figure out that Floyd, who had his hands full with a washed up Oscar, aint beating Robinson.

Floyd doesn't beat Gavilan, let alone Robinson.

I got $500 that says Shakur doesn't know who Kid Gavilan is.

 

I think "athlete evolution" is overrated as a whole, but what's apparent is its more applicable to certain sports.

If you wanna tell me that Rod Laver couldn't compete with the tennis stars today, thats fine, and its probably true.

Boxing is different.

Boxing hasnt really evolved from Robinson's era at the ELITE level. Not talent wise nor skill wise.

Nobody can sit up here with a straight face and tell me that Ryan is more "advanced" than Jose Napoles, or Devin Haney is more "advanced" than Luis Rodriguez.

If anything, skill has REGRESSED, because the real teachers are dead.

 

Shakur said he didn't realize Hagler was such a great fighter. Odds are "The Keed" would be totally new to him.

 

I don't really like comparing eras and then different sports combined together, just too many different variables. It's not hard to provide examples where something is better or worse whichever way you want to go. We might all have rose colored glasses from time to time but boxing stands alone for me in an entire sport i've actually paid attention to over the years as one which has regressed. The only thing that is brought up continually is how guys are bigger, modern conditioning, etc. That applies much better to other sports than boxing. For boxing it's basically just it's newer therefore ought to be better somehow. Has to be. The guys saying that haven't been watching much. It just sounds right like things evolve or whatever.

This is not technology like comparing a computer or a TV years ago. Of course they will get faster/lighter or whatever. Even though i appreciate nice cars I've never cared for motor sports. Beyond F1, just look at sports cars designed for the public. Around a track no car remotely in the same class is going to lose to one decades older. It's irrelevant though, none of the cars themselves are not talented. It's only technology and what the rules are.

I don't buy that all the best fighters are in other sports and so on, but i believe there is certainly something to it. Maybe it doesn't "deserve" to be there, but if boxing had the same level of mainstream popularity as it once did and remained that way to the present it would be more comparable to other sports.

 

Not every athlete is a historian but how as a pro fighter do you now know that? It's Marvin Hagler, not Stanley Ketchel.

 

And Hagler's FROM fucking Newark!

 

As you mentioned crack addicts. I'm sure he's more familiar with some "legendary" dealers or gang bangers.

 

Stevensons win over PRIME lopez trumps haglers lackluster victory over fat duran and his VICIOUS ko in Miami was more impressive than the hearns fight

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Beating the 2026 Duran means more than beating a prime Fraudafimo. Teo is utter dog shit.

 

Honestly

Its pretty much a question of belief. Does the old school techniques trumps modern training and supplements (cough cough, drugs)? I dont think its possible to know for sure (even if i do have an opinion on that), and i dont take seriously anybody whos dead sure on one or the other.

 

Not all the best fighters are in other sports, but all the best hw are. Honestly, besides boxing (and mma), theres very few sports where a 5 feet 7 guy will make it big

 

Literally the greatest and most famous athlete of the past 25 years is 5'7.

 

Yeah, id know some wise ass would bring him up. But thats one of the few exceptions that confirms the rule (theres a reason why his nickname is La Pulga)

Theres ton of boxers that are pretty well known and rich even if they are 5 feet 7 and below. If it wasnt for boxing (and mma, kt, mt etc) the chance of someone built like inoue to become a famous athlete ate pretty much nil. Not the same thing for an athletically built 6 2 stud.

 

"When the wiseman point at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger". This apply perfectly to you little Neil

 

You're the wisest frog since the one who croaked in that whole scorpion fiasco

 

I pretty much feel the same way. I think most great athletes would be able to adapt if they were born 30 years later or whatever, but just straight up watching it as it is, I honestly think on average that NBA/MLB/NFL players now are better.

Great NFL teams of the past would probably just get dominated at the line of scrimmage by the giants of today.

Just watching boxing, I don’t see any improvement as a whole. There’s no nostalgia for me, some of the eras I’m referring to are before I was even into the sport.

 

Yeah it's considerably different than talking about boxing when guys like John L Sullivan were champ. It came from the bear knuckle era and it was more of a tough man contest than the sport it came to be. I'm sure those guys could easily handle themselves in a bar fight today but in the ring against a trained boxer it's a totally different story.

If they were around today and learned to train blah blah it's not even worth discussing. May as well talk about if they guy got into judo or auto racing.