Felix Trinidad vs Carmen Basilio @147

Who Wins And why?

 

Basillo because he fought in b&w.

 

Haha funny explosive.But I think that fight would be great to watch.Basilio was a monster at 147 deafeating future hall of famer johnny Saxton by Ko and winning 2 fights of the year with Tonyt Demarco who was a real good fighter himself.Also He beat Lou Jenkins at that weight and he had a very competitive fight with kid gavilan all the fighters I just named are Hall of famers.Trinidad In my opinion Is one of the 10 or 15 best welterweights of all time with very heavyhands and A warriors heart.We all know about his stellar record at this weight.It be a tough call for me to pick a winner.

 

i'd pick Tito. too much fire power and too little defense on the part of Basilio.

 

Basillio was a big man at 147 ... He also had a granite chin. No-one wanted any piece of him at 147 so he moved up to Middle weight. He twice took Sugar Ray's power at 160 so he would probably handle Tito's as well ...

Picture Vargas but allot better with a cast iron jaw ...

Basilio TKO 11 Tito - Tito would have some moments but he would get stopped ..

 

He was big back in his day but these days welterweights are bigger than back then because of developed nutrition which allows them to gain weght faster after the weigh-in.

 

Trinidad cos he fought in colour and was popular.

 

Whatever , I would still pick Basilio if they were the same exact size regardless ..

 

:2:

 

More the fact that fighters have more time to rehydrate and some put on like 15-20 pounds in the 30 hours after the weigh-in.

 

Both fighters weren't hard to miss but Basilio Was like 5'9-5'10 if I'm not mistaken.So he wasn't small he could have taken tito's best shots in my opinion which is saying alot.Basilio was a very punishing hard puncher at 147 could he have ko'd tito? possibly Would he have I dunno tito has a ton of heart and has suffred knockdowns before only to come back and win.In my Opinion this could be a battle of chins and Basilio had a better chin So i'd lean towards him .

 

Boxrec says Basilio is 5'6 and a half which I don't believe Cuz I've met him and he was nearly my height at 80 years old and i'm 5'9 so Maybe before old man shrinkage he was 5'9.

 

Basilio could take a beating...and Trinidad would give him one...Trinidad by KO 11

 

I think the point is that Trinidad couldn't take a beating. His chin gives up, and Basilio wins a unanimous decision or a late stoppage.

 

I want to see more complete fights of Basilio before making a pick.

It seems like a natural great fight though, no matter who you see winning. Most pressure fighters that are there to be hit are cannon fodder for Tito, but Basilio was a lot more skilled than guys like Campas and Mayorga.

 

Thats a good analysis whiskey.Also basilio was very good with fighters taller then him ie ray robinson and johnny saxton.He had a sneaky short left hook on the inside he used against both if you watched the fights.

 

Sugar Ray was never the puncher that Tito was. Tito was closer to Hearns power level than Ray’s.

 

I disagree and 100+ KO's from 135 to 175 will back that up.

 

Ray was one of the biggest hitters ever; he was an incredible offensive machine.

 

:jester: :jester: Are you taking crack or something ???

Fuckin SSR was a power house. Guy hit like a mac truck ..

 

Tito easy. Basilio was tough but if you watch his fights, he has a very open and lacking defense. Watching Fullmer just launching haymakers from leftfield and "landing" on Basilio make me think that Carmen was just too open for Tito.

Tito has only had problems with movers and his only two losses came from defensive wizards (Hopkins and Wright). Tito by butchering in the 8th.

 

Yeah, because Tito had an airtight defense, right?

 

Much better than Basilio. Also Tito's defense was not bad when he was thinking defensive (watch Vargas fight, and Joppy fight). He knew how to slip, and tighten up into a shell when he needed to.

Watch a few fights kiddo, you might learn something. :2:

 

Maybe you should watch more then the Fullmer fight of Basilio ..
Basilio was at the tail end of his career and this fight was at Middle weight ... Basilio retired something like 9 months later ...

 

Have to disagree here. And I AM a Tito fan. But Robinson hit harder than Trinidad without any doubt. At least for one punch power, Robby definitely hit harder.

That said, I would still take Trinidad over Basilio via late stoppage or a 15 round UD(Assuming they fought 15). Faster, more powerful, and a better technician.

 

Really? Then maybe you should let me know which fight Basilio "ever" showed a tight defense. What? Can't find one? Great me too :jester: (I have more than half a dozen Basilio fights on VHS through fight trading over 5 years). :2:

What about Basilio's fight against Kid Gavilan? Right in the middle of Basilio's prime. How did Gavilan sweep the last 6 rounds in that fight? You don't know because you've never seen it? Then maybe I'll tell you. Gavilan did it by landing 2-3 punch combos the rest of the fight against Gavilan's wide open defense. Sure Gavilan was quick but he wasn't Sugar Ray Robinson. Now imagine Trinidad sneaking in tight, crisp left hooks on a wide open Gavilan. Start to get the picture?

Kids these days. B)

 

How bout try to imagine Trinidad taking Ray Robinsons bombs right on the button for 30 rounds.I don't think he could have but Basilio did.

 

You mean the once retired, nearly 40 year old middleweight version of Ray Robinson that Basilio fought or the 147 pound destroyer Ray Robinson in his 20s? Because Basilio never fought the latter version. Watch some fights kiddo. :2:

 

Wrong Bam , I did see the fight ... Yeah Gavilan boxed him but instead of telling me Gavilan is "no Robinson" you should understand that Tito is "no Gavilan" ..... Tito was outboxed by DLH and DLH isn't even a true boxer style fighter.

 

SRR was about 36 or 37 and he still had his power. Actually he might have even punched harder since he was completely filled out as a Middle weight by this time ... I also believe Basilio was in his 30's at this point.

Nyital571 was talking about power. Maybe Ray slipped a bit in other catagories but I would say his power was the same or maybe even better.
He was filled out totally as a Middle and he did not put on any fat either so don't even go there ...