PAVLIK vs TAYLOR...

Look,this ISN'T Some Post Fight EXCITEMENT Shit Going On...

REED TRUELY Believes that Kelly Pavlik would BEAT Jermain Taylor...TOMORROW!!!...By KO!!!...

Like REED has Been Saying,Kelly Pavlik is THE Next "Big Thing" N Boxing...He'll WAX Taylor,he'll WAX Calzaghe & Who Knows,a Couple Years from Now,he Could Become the Lightheavy Champ...

This Cat BOLDLY Fought the "Puncher",Edison Miranda,N the POCKET,TOOK his BEST Shots,SHRUGGED them Off & BEAT The Living Shit Out of his Ass...

For All the Hype Miranda was Getting,U've GOT to Say that Kelly Pavlik is THE REALfuckingDEAL!!!....

He DOMINATED Miranda!!!...

REED

 

alright alright cmon now.

And Taylor doesn't stand any chance in any MM's with anyone.

He fought disgracefully, but it was Stinks in there helping him look awful. I was very impressed with Pavlik, but I think there quite a leap in skill from Miranda to Taylor

 

Honestly,JAWS...

REED Doesn't See Much "Skill" N Jermain Taylor....What do YOU See that REED Doesn't???...


REED:dunno:

 

I'd like to see pavlik spank abraham first, and shut his mouth once and for all.

 

The one weakness I see in Kelly is that he isnt very fast handed, but I dont think it'd matter. Taylor's no defensive wiz. Pavlik KO's Taylor within 8 rounds. Hell, if Miranda isnt ruined by tonight's beating, I still think he could possibly beat Taylor. Jermain blows!

 

I still favor Taylor....Pavlik will make Taylor fight, and for the first time in his career Taylor will have to fight hard or get KO.....against Winky he worked hard, but Winky isn't much of a puncher...and Hopkins was tooo passive in both fights with Taylor, Jermain could reset against those guys, Pavlik won't give him any time to get confy.....those 3 fights(Winky &Hop) will feel like walks in the part compare to what Pavlik will bring him.

 

if that means going to Europe...THEN FUCK/scratch that.... :nono:

 

I dont know about him waxing Calzaghe, unless Joe turns old overnight. Much as I hate Sloppy Joe, he's MUCH quicker than Kelly, and probably physically stronger.

 

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I'd probably have to favor Pavlik. I figure Taylor is being kept away from guys who punch hard for a reason. Pavlik can be a bit sloppy but the truth is I think his straight right hand would hit Taylor and knock him out. Pavlik isn't the fastest but he throws a MUCH better straight right than Taylor does.

 

No the hell it wont! Neither Hopkins nor Winky brings to the table the power, and killer instinct that Pavlik has. Not to mention that both Hop & Winky have seen better days, whereas Kelly is JUST hitting his peak at 26.

 

Taylor has options....


Pavlik
Duddy
Calslappy
Mayweather


...the money fights are Mayweather and Calslappy...Mayweather is the smaller guy that brings alot of publicity if Taylor wins he becomes that more popular etc..etc..Calzaghe fight is ALOT of MONEY, but will it make him MORE popular in the STATES? I don't think so..AVOID CALSLAPPY.....the easy(if such thing exist for Taylor, even wat look like an easy fight is difficult for him) would be Duddy...but that also is a big fight if it happens in NYC and will have alot of Press coverage....and Pavlik is the middle ground fight....some moeny MONEY and some publicity.....

 

:warning: I got it backwards...i was trying to say what you said...Pavlik will bring something that Taylor has NEVER seen before...power, aggression for 12 rounds...etc..and all that other stuff....a young guy that isn't afraid of getting hit like Hopkins...

 

This is like the boxing version of the movie "Fallen"...after a loss, the hype flows seemlessly from one fighter to the next.

Miranda was a deeply flawed fighter that received way too much credit for a fight that he lost...one I'm still not convinced a lot of fans or writers have seen.

Pavlik showed a better chin than expected, and his stamina was good as well, but Miranda's defense was similar to Mayorga's...and a more skilled fighter with superior technique and shorter punches - and that encompasses a lot of fighters - that can take or avoid/block his punches stands a good chance of not only beating him, but looking great in the process.

As little as I think of Taylor - I don't think he beat Hopkins or Wright in any of their three fights - I still think he beats Pavlik, and I think Calzaghe would outclass him.

 

Nothing will force Taylor to fight hard. Almost all of Jermain's past few bouts have been up in the air going into the championship rounds and he's lost most of them. He barely attacked Spinks, a guy he should knocked out of the ring in six.

Pavlik will bring the heat and unless Taylor, who hasn't scored a KO since he fought his sparring partner, can catch him clean coming in and hurt him, he's going to get KTFO. The safe bet is Pavlik outworks him.

 

Pavlik is flat footed with slow hands. He may throw more punches, but I don't see him landing more.

 

I think he will. His punches are slow but he throws alot of them. Not off his backfoot either. Taylor, on the other hand, is not very accurate or active. He'll get outworked and if he's not careful, knocked out. His chin remains a question mark at this point.

 

To me, that was the most impressive part of the fight.. He didn't try to avoid Miranda's power. It seemed like he intentionally took flush shots to take away Miranda's will.. It worked.

I was wrong about Pavlik (moreso about Miranda), and I would give him an even money shot now against Taylor and Calzaghe. He would be a clear favorite against Abraham in my opinion..

 

Pavlik is gonna KO Taylor.

 

He'd give Taylor hell...not sure he'd beat him though. No defense, sloppy punching Miranda is an easy guy to look good against...and fucking featherfisted unhittable running Spinks is an easy guy to look bad against.

Pavlik may have a very good chin and punch very hard AND be a big Middleweight...but what most are forgetting in this post fight hysteria...is that the man is TOO EASY TO HIT.

He may drop Taylor and always has a puncher's chance...but for the most part Taylor would tattoo his ass!

 

Absolutely. He eats right hands like Taylor misses them, at a very high rate. Nevertheless Pavlik chopped down Miranda already, Sturm has a proven horrible chin. Taylor must have a bad chin the way he is matched and reacts to featherfisted fighters, which gives Pavlik an excellent chance as long as he can take Taylor´s right and doesn´t eat too many of them. Abraham probably has the best tools to beat Pavlik as long as he keeps his mouth shut. :kick:

 

I would pick Pavlik over Taylor but not Calzaghe. Calzaghe has faced terrible opposistion but he is a very good fighter.

 

great fight last night, the pavlik one, but he ain't going to "wax calzaghe", no middleweight would wax a guy with his chin, his size and a guy that has campaigned at super middle and faced bigger punchers than pavlik.

calm down there bucko.

 

Once Again, Our Redneck Friends Get It Wrong, Predict Miranada KO 3 Pavlik.

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No pavlik doesn't have very fast hands, and come SOMETIMES look a little sloppy, but it doesn't matter. Taylor isn't a speed demon either, and Pavlik lands his punches. He can be pretty accurate, even though his punches sometimes look telegraphed, he can land them flush. And he has the necessary skills, and he has the BALLS to actually fight.

Not only that, I was amazed at how little effect Miranda's punches had, the guy that broke abraham's jaw etc. Pavlik was never in trouble at all.

In round 5 I think, Miranda landed 3 big rights, and pavlik even shrugged those off. He didn't seem to care that much about getting hit by miranda.

His jaw is solid, no doubt.

I think he'd take taylor out too.

I am not too sure about Calzaghe though. I am not exactly a huge calzaghe fan, but the guy can fight, and he is very tough.

 

Miranda is at least a couple inches shorter than Taylor, and he fights smaller...and his footwork is poor, he had trouble setting his feet all night against Pavlik, which allowed the Ghost to come forward against him. Miranda has never appeared to me to have a strong base. Against a bigger, stronger fighter like Pavlik, he was the one being backed up and pushed around the ring.

Taylor has a much stronger base, he won't be backing up all night. He's also taller than Miranda - only about 1-1 1/2 inches shorter than Pavlik - and he fights taller. He also has a good jab, and USES it, and I think Taylor will have a lot of success with that punch against Pavlik. Wouldn't be surprised to see Pavlik busted up with that punch. Taylor's quickness will also be an advantage against Pavlik.

 

Compare that to Abraham...who is quite happy to back off, and maintains a high guard, and is quite FAST moving in and closing the range. I'm telling you, Abraham is a smarter fighter than Pavlik when it comes to these things. Pavlik is good at what he does, but he is slow.

 

I hope Pavlik kills him. I am a fan and I admit he is better than what I thought he was but he still isn't very good. Larry straight out stated that JT's people don't want him to fight a puncher. :: :: I have heard haters say that here, but he has never proven to be chinny. In fact, has he even ever been down?

 

Taylor doesn't have a good stamina, he gasses out by the middle rounds. Pavlik will be throwing the whole fight, nevermind HARD shots, and taking Taylor's, adding to the champ's discouragement and mental fatigue. Pavlik UD12 Taylor, because jermain is a tough SOB.

 

Don't talk down about what will be the biggest middleweight fight in recent memory.::

 

We said Vitali has no chin, we said Mundine has no chin, we said Pavlik has no chin. At one point the haters will be right, Taylor has no chin. :crafty: :crafty:

Who was supposed to knock him down anyway? Hopkins, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Joppy? :dunno:

The bad part for Taylor is he has nowhere to hide. Abraham, Pavlik, Miranda, Calzaghe, Kessler, Simms, Dzinziruk, even the IBF-SMW scrub Berrio can crack. Everybody that is left can punch or outbox him. He has nowhere to hide except Mayweather. Pavlik cornered him with his performance, Duddy and Mora won´t fly. ::