Golota by mid round TKO or UD Ike will have his moments but Golota too strong too big too quick on his feet for the raw ibeabuchi. Ibeabuchi's best wins are over small heavyweights so don't assume right away he would just blow through a big heavywight with very good skills, and Golota of 96 wasn't lacking in confidence. Lewis fight destroyed him mentally. In 96 Golota was dirty but other than that he was mentally as good as he got
Ike wins because eventually, at some point, Golota's going to get intimidated by Ike's size and either foul out, quit, or panic himself into a beatdown.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Your hilarious. Ike stops him in the mid rounds. If Ike could take 12 rounds of Tua's bombs, Andrew's shots would have ZERO effect on him. Once Ike takes Andrew's best shots, then begins to bang away at him, Golota would fall apart.
Tua's BOMBS?? Well guess what Oleg Maskaev , yes the same Oleg who got KTFO by numerous fighters took Tua's BOMBS for 11 rounds before being stopped on his feet in what could be called a quick stoppage. David Izon took Tua's BOMBS for 12 rounds! Hasim Rahman (victim of several highlight reel KO's) took Tua's BOMBS for 22 rounds without once going down! So maybe just maybe Tua's power is not all that? Not to mention that many myself included actually thought Tua won the damn fight with ike. So Ike got outboxed outslugged by David Tua of all people! David Tua couldn't beat a heavybag on points if he tried yet he in the eyes of most beat Ike. So in conclussion of this tua topic Ike basically slugged with Tua on even terms for 12 rounds. You know who else slugged with Tua on even terms for 12 rounds? David Izon. So what does seperate Ike from a David Izon? Yes TKO5 Chris Byrd of course. Ike stopped little Chrisy big freaking deall. Even a 10 years past his prime Golota (fuck the draw) beat Byrd. Good win for Ike sure but does that make him this TYSON 2 killer some make him out to be? No it makes him a QUESTION MARK, and no question mark is beating a prime Golota. So other than the Byrd win what does Ike have? NOTHING. I've even seen a number of his fights against total BUMS and guess what Ike looked nothing like a world beater and those BUMS took his power pretty well About his chin? Do your research and you will findout that Rahman KO'ed him in sparring back in the day PLUS Kirk Johnson handed him pretty easily too. Sure he could've became something and changed my mind about the outcome of this contest but he never became anything cuz we all know how he ended up. Therfore we go by what we have and that unofrunatelly is not enough for me to pick him over a prime fearless Golota. <----PERIOD
Damn, K44 already tore this post to shreds, but it's worth exploiting a little more... Golota was bigger, stronger (yes, I said stronger), more active, more accurate and a lot better at putting his punches together. Tua had better one punch power. That's it. His chin and resiliency got him through the rest of his fights. It's a big IF as to whether or not Ike's taking Golota's shots all night. Both were nutcases. it appeared that Ike saved his lunacy for outside the ring - but as mentioned earlier, he never fought the type of opposition to fully exploit it. If gym sessions can make him snap, then who's say an opponent who can match his workrate and holds size and strength advantages over him can't also bring out the worst him. The safe pick would probably be Ike by decision or late KO, but there's no way in hell I discount Golota's chances, especially in the first half. Golota would be the biggest fighter Ike ever faced, as well as the most active and accurate.
Ike. Golota is the biggest choker in boxing history and would find a way to lose even if he was doing well. He's a pretty talented and skilled guy, but when it comes to big fights against contenders/titlists, he's just a proven loser, time and time again.
If Golota had quit or retired from boxing in 1996 after his fights with Bowe, we'd be holding him on a much higher pedistool than we are now. And Ike didn't stay around long enough to get exposed. He may also have been a major headcase who'd break down in fights much like Oliver McCall given Ike's history as being f*cked in the head and seeing ghosts coming out of his air conditoner. I think Ike has become way overrated. He never fought Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Mercer, Golota, Foreman, Klitschko, etc. He scraped by Tua by the skin of his teeth and beat up Chris Byrd. Now in every Ike-thread, he's some kind of prime Foreman who goes around kicking the sh*t out of guys bigger than himself in 1 or 2 rounds. Despite the fact that his own trainer Curtis Cokes was the one telling stories of how Ike was getting handled in sparring by B level heavyweights of his own size like Kirk Johnson. If Ike had stayed around longer, he too likely would've been exposed like the majority of the heavyweights have.
True. Had Golota gotten himself in jail in January '97, he'd be now remembered as the guy who would have dominated the division for a decade
golota had skills, but overall he's a garbage fighter who doesnt have a single signficant win in his wasted career. ibeabuchi would've fucked him up.
Wow. Can you guys who know so much about this sparring footage please upload it so the rest of us can see it just like ya'll never did. Firstly, fighters don't always go all out in sparring. It's done to shake off rust and stuff. Secondly, going off and saying Ike never had a significant win in his whole career is really dissing Tua--who was actually worth something when Ike beat him--and Byrd who is a much better and tougher boxer then Johnson. Ike won those fights impressively and just because he got put away doesn't autofuckingmatically mean Golota would have beaten him. Yeah, maybe Ike does get a bit overrated, but you guys are actually saying he MAY have been a headcase over a guy who IS a headcase. How far do you consider someone overrated before you begin to severly underrate them? :dunno: Maybe Ike's career wouldn't have amounted to shit. Maybe the Tua and Byrd wins were flukes. Maybe Ike's size, strength, and toughness meant nothing. Maybe Golota's melt downs were also flukes. Maybe Golota getting creamed against an old Tyson was a fluke too. Maybe Golota melting down against Lewis, Bowe (twice), Grant, and Tyson were also flukes. Here's a real maybe (those were sarcasim): Maybe Ike's trainer who told those stories is still a little pissed at Ike for attacking him once. Maybe he exhaggerated what happened or straight out lied. Anyhow, I've seen enough of Ike and enough of Golota to know that Golota doesn't have the mental toughness to beat a fighter as big, strong, and tough as Ike. No fucking way. So you can throw out all the other bullshit intangibles. Here's all you need to know: Ike was big, strong and could brawl with the best of them. Golota melted down against big strong fighters.
More people discussed the sparring sessions not just ike's trainer, and it's funny how in defense of ike you assume the stories were made up? How about we go by what we hear and that's Ike's former trainer telling like it was? Plus what about Rahman? What does Rahman have against Ike to make up a story of knocking him out? So it's everybody against ike? You sound just as paranoid as ike! And regarding the dissing Tua part. I'm not dissing Tua. Tua outslugged a prime slugger in Ike and won the figth (at least in my eyes). Good win for David! (unofficial mind you) Why should Ike be praised for the Tua win is beyond me? If Ike is as good as you say he is he should be put down for being an idiot and fighting Tua's fight when in fact as you say he was so talented he could have just easily outboxed Tua and not risked it like an idiot, and if you do put David in such high regard do you research and talk to Lou Duva and find out when both were in his stable in '96. Andrew DOMINATED David and even dropped him from body punches. So ike is the guy who MIGHT have been a headcase and Andrew is the guy who IS a headcase? Last time i checked Ike was in prison for the last years, probablly sucking cock and going by Irene, doing time for kidnapping children crashing cars into concrete walls raping hookers and attacking police officers and Golota to this day is still fighting and all , but I'm sorry you said he MIGHt have been a headcase? Tua win was not a fluke it was a a case of two prime sluggers going at it in the ring and one was visibly hurt by punches (ike) and the one not at all (tua) yet the 3 judges saw it for Ike ,but most of the public saw it for Tua. Byrd win was not a fluke it was a great KO win. Ike had the perfect Style for beating Chris and he used it beautifuly. Ike was a VOLUME POWER PUNCHER and it finally cought up with Byrd on the ropes in that faithful 5th. Bottom line Riddick Bowe was bigger,stronger and tougher than Ike. Yet a prime Golota didint' fear him one bit. Went straight at him and DQ's or not DOMINATED him. Ike was nowhere near as proven as Riddick therefore we shouldn't even worry about the DQ since no one knows if Ike could take the punishment Bowe took, and Bowe was as tough as they got. It all comes down to the fact that Ike Ibeabuchi never fought a guy who could put a strong jab in his face CONSISTENTLY, a big strong guy who punches hard and is accurate (Ike was easy to hit to boot). A guy who would go to his body CONSISTENTLY. A guy who was way better on his feet than Ike was. A guy with better defense and overall boxing skills. '96 Golota was different all together, your views on this fight are misguided because you have a recent old washed up Golota on your mind. Pop in a tape of Bowe Golota I and see what Andrew was capable in his prime.
Ike was a nutcase, but at least he had enough mental stability in the ring to win a couple fights of significance against contenders of note. Okay, I thought he got a tad fortunate on the cards versus Tua. But my pick of Ibeabuchi has much less to do with overrating Ike (I think too many "what could have been" fighters get overrated) and more to do with Golota being a Grade A choke artist. I mean time and time again, over the years, he just finds a way to fuck it up.
pressure gets to Andrew. If he did fight Ike i bet he'd do much better if his corner told him that Ike's record is something like 5-10 lost 8 by KO and there'd be no cameras, 100 people in the audience and all taht ::
Well like I said what happens in sparring and in the real ring is 2 different things. Maybe Ike improved maybe not. If Ike was set to fight Rahman back in the day would you have had the balls to put money on a loser like Rahman? I realize a lot of people felt Tua won that fight, I don't remember, I only watched it once and wasn't scoring. The fight was razor close either way. I wouldn't have as big a problem with people picking Golota to win if they did it based on styles rather than what happened in some sparring matches they never saw or have no idea when they happened. Also Ike's meltdown's never occured in the ring. He may have been as crazy as a loon outside the ring but inside he seemed very focused which is more than I can say for Golota. By the way I remember how well Golota beat Bowe both times. I also remember how well he melted down. Both times. My prediction is he'd do the same against Ike because I've seen it happen several times, and I'm not going off of hearsay or some sparring accounts. You do realize that Spadafora once beat Mayweather in sparring right? I guess you got Spaddy UD Floyd in a MM too right?
Finally, a fight in which Ibeabuchi is not only actually worthy of his opponent, but one in which I would favour him to win.
Have you actually seen the fights you're talking about? To say that Maskaev, Izon, and Rahman "took Tua's bombs" for X # of rounds is ridiculous. They didn't take Tua's bombs for X # of rounds, they AVOIDED them. Ike TOOK them. I actually agree that Tua won, but Tua winning on points says more about Ike's chin and the fight Ike fought than it does about Ike's skill level. You're acting like Ike made Tua look like Larry Holmes. GTFO. So KO'ing a prime Byrd (which nobody else managed to do) is NBD, in spite of the fact that your hero Golota drew with a past-prime Byrd. Lol. LOL@fearless Golota. What part of Poland was your dad from? Agreed. Anyone who bets money on Golota in a fight needs their head examined as badly as Golota does.
