Yeah but now his shoulder is all fucked up...did you notice what his left shoulder looked like after he got up from the first knockdown in the ninth? Looked like a bone was about to pop out of the top of it.
:: :: :: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: Easily one of the best posts ever. :bears: I just hope everyone else here appreciates it...
You can lose all the weight you want but you will still be a shot fighter.Byrd should of dropped down years ago.Its too little too late now.
Holy shit, didn't expect that. Wow, was it the weight or what? Did that much weight loss just render him too weak? That's pretty amazing, shaun george did a better job than Klitschko ::
2 things seemed to have killed Byrd. First, the weight drop, he didn't seem to have any legs left. And second, he didn't seem adjusted at all to LHW speed. At heavy, he could roll with the punches, last night he got painted with straight and lead read hands all night and they seemed to affect him alot since he couldn't really anticipate them fast enough. I didn't watch the whole fight, just the last few rounds, but I guess it was like this all night.
I guess more of us should have seen it coming. Not only the sudden dramatic weight loss, which almost always has it's consequences, but the fact that he is used to being the smaller, faster guy, is suddenly stripped from him too.
His arms look way to big for a boxer there....looks like he's been bodybuilding rather than training for boxing. Anyway, this fight just goes to show the potential effects of being weight drained.
dsimon writes: A couple of things. The weight dynamics no doubt had some effects on Byrd. But people often assume that the other divisions below heavy the punches are not as hard. Size is only one factor involved with punching. The cruiser and light heavy are puncher's divisions basically. It is why Haye could conceviably be succesful. Part of what happened with Byrd is that he was fighting for years in a weak division.
Shaun George doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as Klitschko, or any other top 10 heavy Byrd has fought. So logically it was what others have suggested, being weight drained and fighting a much faster opponent than you're used to.
Yeah, and it also has to be remembered the reason Byrd moved down was he didn't have a future at heavyweight and was contemplating retirement. He was pretty much done at the weight and that's why he decided to move down. Last night he had to deal with weight, age and mileage, and a quicker opponent.
Yeah, George is concievably one of the lighter punching of the Top 20 Light Heavyweights or so. Really a career ending performance by Byrd. Hey, at least he'll look like he's in great shape for the next segment of his life. :bears:
As much as I wanted Byrd to succeed, his style was simply all wrong for the lower weight classes. All the little tricks that befuddled the lumbering oafs at heavyweight are really nothing new at the lower weight classes. Byrd could not handle what little amounts of movement George would give him (Ironic isn't it?). Byrd tried his little trick where he would circle to his right and throw a right jab over his opponents left shoulder (something that was pretty successful against stationary heavyweights) but George would simply take a step back to nullify it. Every time Byrd tried to get offensive, George would simply move out of the way or catch the punch with his shoulder and throw a counter right hand. I'm not so sure Byrd is ever used to seeing an opponent use movement against him or even counter his shots. Byrd's defense also looked awful against a much faster accurate puncher - he simply could not avoid that right hand. He tried his move where he would pull back or bend at the waist, but he was still getting clocked. I'm sure the weight also had a huge effect on him since his legs looked like Chico's early in the fight. His legs looked a bit stronger as the fight went on, until of course he got caught by that upper cut right hand or whatever combo it was. Even at LHW Byrd didn't have much pop in his punches. I guess it's true about being born a puncher, he simply did not have any explosiveness or crispness to his punches.
Yep... Byrd Took HIS TIME & Lost FLAB...Roy Lost 25lbs of MUSCLE N about 5-6 Weeks... & Even Tarver ACKNOWLEDGED the Difficulty N DROPPING from Heavy to Lightheavy, Last Night... REED
Roy should've made a run at heavy. He would have made all of those fools look like the lumbering oafs they really are... that would have legitimately enhanced his legacy. Aside from Lewis and the Klits I think he would have torn all those guys up.
1st of All, Shaun George IS NOT a "Puncher" (This was like his 8th KO N 20-25 Fights), yet he HURT Chris Byrd Virtually EVERY Time he Hit him FLUSH... From the Very 1st Round, he was HURTING Byrd w/Right Hands...Even @ Heavy, Byrd had a GOOD Chin... 2nd of All, George COULD have Taken Byrd Out SEVERAL Rounds EARLIER...But He was a Bit Toooooooo CAUTIOUS for his OWN Good... Chris Byrd's Legs Looked like PIPE Cleaners, yet his FOOTWORK Wasn't There...George BEAT Byrd to the Punch EVERYTIME & HURT him @ Will... 2 B DOMINATED like this, by a LIGHT Punching Lightheavy Says it All... N the 9th, Byrd REACTED like Ibeabuchi had Hit him...His Legs & Equilibrium were COMPLETELY GONE from 2 Shots...DRASTIC Weight Loss @ an ADVANCED Age is a DEATHKNELL for Prizefighters... REED
When Byrd's "dimensions" were listed before the fight, comparing his body now to what it was when he was at heavyweight, it read that his calves were bigger. I think they reversed the numbers because it was obvious that Byrd had thinner legs. Poor Turd. He needs to retire.
when you lose 10-15 pounds in your upper back/shoulders/neck area your punch resistance obviously gonna go waaay down. that and the anticipation factor being gone cuz youre facing other quick guys. people are talking about byrd's chin and if he had the same power...you guys are right. if byrd weighed 215 last night he still wouldve displayed an amazing chin, and very good power for a light heavyweight. his body changed, and likewise so did his ability.
Ahh... Chris Turd & Junior Witter both embarassed in less than a week. It doesnt get much better than that!:bears:
Ahh, Witter was :shit: but at least Byrd wasn't a hugger. He might not have had much power but he did get in there and fight without playing the humping game.
Byrd spent 14 years as a heavyweight and was used up at the weight. Jones lost the weight almost as fast as he gained it.
dsimon writes: "Hard?" maybe not, but speed and other factors ultiamtely can cause more damage. The Heavyweights have more weight behind their punches, that is true. But there are other sources of power for a punch, like speed and accuracy. The proof is in the pudding. And while the other factors are part of the equation it also demonstrates that a good little man can get power in the ring and that the heavies are indeed a bunch of lumbering oafs. ::
Yeah, I can't tell sometimes with these guys but it seems the Roy groupies really do think this enhances Roy's legacy somehow. ::