does lazcano have a chance?

Hatton has the motivation of staying sharp so he can earn another payday/loss against Floyd next year.

I cant for the life of me envision Juan Lazcano beating Hatton. Even if Hatton is faded, and his lifestyle has caught up, he should still beat Lazcano.

Against Malignaggi it might be a different story because Paulie has a style which could trouble Hatton, and expose his decline. But not Lazcano.

 

I think Juan has more of a Mexican boxer style. not as clean as DLH but when at his best very skillful with the left hand. I grow up watching him here in Sac for years. He is in max shape right now! Harris was too big for him, but Hatton is the smaller man. If Juan gets pass the environment and time change he is going to give Ricky the blues just like Luis Collazo(Spelling?) Change angles and turn him; also catch him coming in: Check Hook, Str8 Rt., Over hand rt. Juan is a vet. and has a bag of tricks he could pull upset, but this will forsure go distance.

 

Lots of dreaming going on in this thread.

Yes, I'll take you're signature bet MTF. "close" fight means 115-113 for Hatton or worse on 2 cards. Yes?

No pick is ever a lock coming off of a ko loss. Which is why good management picks someone like Lazcano to come back against.

 

Great bet. Now we can get rid of the most annoying sig on fightbeat.

 

The sanctioning body ordered a rematch :: Like a fight with 120-107 scorecard needs a rematch.

 

Most of them actually picked Haton to beat Floyd.

 

I didn't offer any sig bets :nono:

 

Don't say I never listen to you, Tam...

 

I wonder when Hatton wins and looks great in doing so.. I wonder what the Hatton hard on riders will say then? :dunno: maybe it was not that he is declineing but it was simply the weight.. yeah lets go with the weight as to why he got domintated like a bitch and KO'd by Floyd (a naturally smaller guy) :laughing:

 

Or maybe, and for the trillionth time, that Floyd is just better :dunno:

 

Now that punk ass low life Billy Graham is saying that w/o Cortez... Ricky beats Floyd.

On second thought, maybe I wouldnt mind seeing Floyd-Hatton 2 afterall. Cause after Floyd fucks up Hatton again, I wanna see what excuse team Hatton will come up with THIS time!

Hatton will never beat Floyd a day in his life!

 

you are a good man MTF.. I praise you

but others are cock riders of Hattons and pretend he is either Shot or the weight was too much...
I think Hatton is still got plently left, I agree Floyd was just better and weather it's at 130, 135, 140, 147, 154, I think Floyd wins..

but Hatton is gonna do a number on this Lazycano guy

 

:doh:

you know what is funny about that talk of the ref?

if ANYTHING the ref HELPED Ricky!! in close Floyd was winning too!! Floyd was better inside, outside, on every side

 

I don't think Billy Graham even thought Hatton could win the first time- the look on his face when Hatton was being interviewed afterwards told a thousand stories...

 

Hatton IS less capable at 147 and he IS in definite decline...BUT as, MWS rightly points out, NO version of Hatton beats Floyd. A prime version at 140 would have been far more competitive, but he still wouldn't beat him. Not even close.

 

He wouldnt be any more competitve. Floyd is past his prime too! Floyd was 30 years old when he beat Hatton, and has been pro since 96, and champ since 98!

Had they fought in 05 at 140 it woulda been the SAME result! Hatton was sharper back then, but so was Floyd! The only thing that stopped them from fighting back then was Hatton and his people. Floyd wanted the fight in 05, Hatton didnt. Whats that tell you?

I think part of the reason why Hatton fought Floyd is that maybe him and his people were banking on Floyd turning old overnight.

 

Funny, I got the same impression.

 

I hung out with Juan at the Golden Boy press conference in Houston, and I will tell you all that he has been training very hard with Ronnie Shields the last several months here at Savannah's.
He didn't look that far off weight then and that was a little while back.

 

Floyd is right in his prime. 30 years old, never been really hurt or in a really tough fight, still blazing fast and a defensive genius... So what if he lost a bit of speed, he has more experience, more self confidence and a great boxing intellect. All this prime talk is a pre built excuse in case he lose even though you'd pick him against any active fighter around his weight... Passed prime my ass.

 

I like Hatton and root for him.

You guys are crazy saying Hatton is past his prime.

He looked great dancing around and cutting off the ring and all that stuff a few years back because he was fighting a lower level of competition. Phillips, Rios, Tackie, Pederson, Vilches, Stewart, Oliveira...all either old or not that great. He got razzed for being protected and ducking fighters through all of that time. When he stepped up to fight Tszyu he had to hump the shit out of him...if he actually fought a boxing match against Tszyu he'd have gotten knocked out, so instead he threw punches immediately followed by climbing on him over and over for 10 or 11 rounds.

Then you take a guy who's gotta rely on humping better fighters and put him in 7 lbs. higher, where he's got no power, and he looks like shit - big surprise. Get him a fight with a guy who's been in more ring wars than Arturo Gatti at 140 and he looks pretty good stopping that guy. Back up 5 lbs. higher again against the best fighter in the world where he's hitting air and taking shots more than he ever has and he's outta there in 10.

The guy is 30 years old and he's never been in a real war. He's in his prime right now...he just isn't at a level where he can go up in weight and be great or beat a phenom like Floyd Mayweather. There clearly ain't no shame in that. He may continue the humping style in the future because he's been knocked out, but he isn't past his prime.

 

I'm going to say it now, Juan Lazcano is going to KTFO of Hatton in 9 rounds.

 

like your pick of Gomez over Cotto and Bautista over Deleon ::

I don't think your being sarcastic either. You actually believe the stupidity you write. :laughing:

pendejo ::

 

A rematch would still be garbage.

There's talk of it taking place in England, but I don't think Floyd really would be willing to fight there, regardless of what he says.

Maybe he's just using the Hatton rematch as leverage in negotiations for if and when the Cotto match is negotiated.

 

Floyd has always been a defensive genius with great intellect. Thats nothing new. But now he's slighly slower, has a lower workrate, and throws less combinations than he did a few years ago.

 

Bless you, brit.

 

I agree with a lot of this, except the opening... ::

Of course, there can be no doubt that Hatton had to dry hump Tszyu to win. That was is best and perhaps only chance and he executed the plan very well. The problem is that he has largely resorted to that plan ever since.

Oddly enough, I re-watched Hatton-Collazo for the first time last night (it was on TV, for some reason) and certain things struck me. Firstly is that Hatton did very little dry humping (certainly compared to Tszyu). Secondly, he got hit a hell of a lot- much more than I remembered. I tended to recall him hanging on for grim death late on, but being pretty comfortable early doors, but that was not the case. As early as the 4th and 5th rounds, Collazo was hitting Ricky pretty cleanly with almost every right hook he was throwing. And he was hurting Hatton- much more than Tsyzu did in their fight.

I take your point on the standard of Ricky's opponents, but the Collazo fight showed a number of things that I didn't realise until I rewatched:

1. Hatton's punches had a vastly lesser affect.
2. Hatton was markedly slower in hand and foot.
3. Hatton's punch resistance was markedly lower.
4. Hatton's stamina seemed greatly reduced.
5. Hatton's defense seemed to involve blocking punches with his face. :doh:

There can only be three possible reasons for this. The first is that the move to 147 just didn't suit. The second is that Collazo was a better fighter than Kostya and had MADE Hatton look as he did. The third is that Hatton was beginning to decline.

Presuming that the second of these possibles is the least likely, that only leaves the first and third, and I think the truth in a combination of both. Also, I would presume that Hatton/Graham realised this, and seeing the success Ricky had against Tszyu, then decided to return to the dry humping style which would:

a. Allow Hatton to return to bullying naturally smaller men with his strength.
b. Conserve energy
c. Close any gaps in which opponents could tee off and exploit any weakness in chin.

It means now that Hatton has an ugly but effective style against any fighter who isn't in the same sort of elite league that Floyd is in, BUT it is also a sure sign that he is declining. His binging lifestyle meant it was inevitable that he would sooner rather than later, and the evidence for it now is as clear as day.

I'm not saying that Hatton is finished. Far from it- he still has plenty left and I'm looking forward to seeing how he does on Saturday night. But he is NOT at the same level of fighter who fought and beat Kostya. That fighter left town when Hatton left Boston...

MTF

 

Excellent post feebs.

It's a combination of the 2.

He really, really isn't suited to 147, but at the same time it's obvious that all has physical attributes have declined since pre tszyu.

You can say it's the quality of the opponent, but that simply doesn't wash.

You don't have to be a genius to spot a marked negative difference in handspeed, footspeed, stamina, workrate, overall energy and sharpness.

For example, Floyd is as good as ever, because he is now more skilled and experienced than ever, but it's easy to spot that he now looks slower, with a lower workrate. And that's against slower fighters than when he was at 130/135.

His reactions and timing are still second to none, but in the handspeed and footspeed department, he is not quite the speed demon he was.

Like I said, you don't have to be a genius to see a difference in a fighter, regardless of the quality of opponent.

When Roy fought Ruiz, despite being in against a much slower opponent than he was used to, he still didn't look as speedy as he did at 160/168.

Anyone with 2 eyes and a brain should be able to see that hatton's speed, athleticism, workrate and stamina have markedly decreased in the last few years.

I don't know why this is so hard for some people to grasp, it has nothing to do with floyd either, it's just a seperate observation.

We all know that no version of hatton would have beaten floyd.

 

This is exactly why it is so difficult for some people to grasp- the Floyd nuthuggers won't hear of anything which might detract from his win over Ricky. Hatton HAD to be at his peak so as to fully extract as much glory as possible from what was, in any and all events, an outstanding win for Floyd.

I have done the 'Hatton isn't the same at 147' to DEATH with a number of posters who simply will not have any of it, even though it is BLINDINGLY obvious and even though I ALWAYS finished with:

'A prime Hatton would have been more competitive but would have lost anyway'.

It is impossible to make the case for Hatton's obvious decline on here without people bringing Floyd into it. It has nothing whatsoever to do with him or that fight. It's just a fact, plain and simple.

MTF

 

Interesting. Listening to Ricky talk before the fight it sounded like he was trying to convince himself that he could actually beat Mayweather. Mayweather sounded like a guy who knew he was going to win.

 

I think being the champ since 98 really helped Floyd in this fight. They had the title fights record graphic as both fighters came to the ring. Floyd had 17 title fights going in and Ricky had had just 4. He really had no experience at the elite level of fighting. After his one dimensional hit and hold shit didn't work he didn't know what to do.