The "I NEVER was Impressed by Margarito" Bandwagon...

Who trained Holyfield in the Stewart rematch?

 

you said Pastrana was a special fighter. What are his special fights?

 

I would. Holyfield had rarely been better.

 

i like how this is the only thread with a ! STAR rating... ::

 

wtf? holyfield was at his best vs. bowe (a fat one at that) in a fight where he arguably lost?

 

It was still his best performance against Bowe, and that wasn't just because of Bowe's expanded waist line.

And Holyfield fought a lot more intelligently, and measured, during and after his period with Steward than he did before.

 

Considering what went down in their first fight? That is easily one of Evander's better showings. Sure, Bowe wasn't the same guy as a year prior, but Holyfield had improved his gameplan considerably.

 

forget steward, benton was the guy who was most responsible for holyfields success.

 

Damn, talk about a thread getting derailed! ::

Even the guy who started this thread has jumped ship! ::

 

Purple monkey dishwasher.

 

I think Margarita will do well - it will be an excellent fight, i really see Cotto winning a clear decision somwhere around the 9-3, 8-4 range. both guys will be hurt at some point in the fight, but cotto will land the more emphatic blows and control the action and tempo throughout the majority of the fight.

i will be hoping for a KO either way but i think it will be Cotto by unanimous decision

 

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i'm sitting here thinking about Holy and Bowe and realized I'm in a Margerito thread::

 

dsimon writes:

The thing about Hollyfield is he was incredibly trainable. Its how he managed to beat Tyson... Kudos to him for that one. When he listened to his trainers and boxed he did a lot better against Bowe and as a fighter.

 

dsimon writes:

Look I understand the love for Holly as said before, I just don't have it. frankly if you and Mex have a different descriptive term for Holly its all good. To me he was a swarmer... he had a high punch output, won rounds that way and exhausted the other guy that way. He was not a KO guy, was not the boxer that some guys were... thats how Holly won his fights.

Fuck Mex particularly as he is lately an anal fuck on everyone's jock. And in some ways Holly was similar to Frazier. Both guys had a high punch output and pressured. Thats what I call a swarmer... call it whatever yu want.

 

Nah, REED's been a Margarito detractor since Mayweather was a lightweight, or junior welterweight.

I remember him over at boxingfanatics talking about how Margarito was the epitome of an average, overrated fighter.

 

Yeah I remember, cause I was right along side with him saying the same.

 

I can't believe you and REED ever posted at BF. You just don't seem like BF types, you're the SO crew.

Is BF still going?

 

Good question. I'm going to check. It's been years since I posted there.:crafty:

 

It's still there and still the same as it ever was.

 

Yeah it's the same place!:: I just checked it out. Brings back old memories.

 

BF is a trash land now. I only post there every few months. This forum is past its prime, but bf is totally shot!

 

I agree. BF was great back in the day though. Who is the owner again? Damn I forgot his name.....

 

Juanita Getoffhiscock.

 

Ahhh that's it!!!:hammert:

 

No, since COLLAZO took care of him, Hatton stopped being considered one of the guys that could beat Floyd, well BEFORE Floyd himself fought him. By an amazing coincidence, that's when Floyd suddenly decided that he did want to fight him after all

Conversely, after Cotto gained in credentials and proved his ability to mow down boxer/movers, Floyd has moved farther and farther away from that fight.

And Margarito was NEVER considered "the man to beat Floyd". :nono: No one favored him to beat Floyd if they actually fought. Whether or not Floyd ducked him (which he did) is totally independent of that.

 

That whole paragraph is bullshit! First of all, a LARGE percent of the forum was picking Hatton to beat Floyd, so dont try to make it seem as if none gave Ricky a shot.

Second of all, Floyd called out and wanted to fight Hatton in 05, after Ricky had beaten Tszyu. It was RICKY, not Floyd, who avoided the fight back then!

Get your facts straight!

 

Agreed on the second part. Disagreed on the first. I think (and this is without the benefit of hindsight) that Hatton was generally regarded as a lesser threat to Mayweather post-Collazo. There's no way his reputation increased after that fight.

 

Hatton's aura of invisibility was indeed shattered in the Collazo fight, but his rep went right back up after he destroyed Castillo. Personally speaking, I NEVER thought he could beat Floyd, even pre-Collazo, but we both know that alot of posters on here picked Hatton. Whether it was just outta hate for Floyd, or a blind faith in Hatton, idk. But either way, opinions on the fight were hardly one sided, despite Collazo, many stilled picked Hatton.

 

Here's a FACT:

This forum ripped Hatton a new asshole after his fight with Collazo (with many people even thinking he was lucky to get the decision), and continued to do so after he retreated back down to 140 right afterward (rather than the possibility of facing Collazo again) and gave only a so-so performance against Urango.

Hatton received even more criticism when Mosley faced Hatton's nemesis and toyed with him for 12 rounds.

So yes, my facts are very much straight. :nono:

 

No it didn't, his rep never recovered from the Collazo fiasco.

Most people went the other way on the Castillo fight, and put it down to Castillo being washed up (which his previous fight had already suggested) rather than some sort of drastic "improvement" on Hatton's part.