Fights where the outcome woulda been different if the guy was prime.

If Hopkins had moved up and fought Joe at 168 in 2002.

 

It's funny that he had that very oppurtunity,.. but what happenned?..:boohoo:

I wonder why not only does it seem that Americans cannot bare Hopkins losing, and in thier minds, think that Hopkins is undefeated since Roy,.. but he is also granted immunity for ducking crucial fights aswell, despite being the most reknown withdrawing, hostage holding, fight sabotaging, low-balling arsehole, whoever probably lived when it comes to negotiations.

 

judah vs junior

bradley vs junior

 

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

William Joppy vs. Roberto Duran

Macho Camacho vs. Sugar Ray

 

What about Marco Antonio Barrera-Juan Manuel Marquez?

Both guys were up there in years when they fought. Barrera had more wear-and-tear on him, and the fight was close.

I think the fight always would've been a very close decision. What if they had fought around 2002 or so?

 

Shit. Holmes was winning 3-0 before being KTFO.

 

I agree with everything you said. Only thing I have doubt about is the fact that Shane doesn't take body shots well. First of all, who does? Second of all I don't recall him ever being dropped by one and only hurt for sure by one.

 

Vernon Forrest hurt him to the body...which he blamed on hernia surgery.

 

marquez has slipped a lot from about 6 or 7 years ago. i think he was always naturally bigger and a sharper puncher than barrera.

 

Agreed. But he wasn't quicker and nor did he fight with a better motor. I think those are the only two reasons Barrera lost to Marquez, even if the fight is always going to be razor thin.

 

Montell Griffen - Roy Jones Jr. II

 

Everyone knows this, however, screaming out in pain once in over 40 fights from a well placed body shot doesn't mean the guy can't take it to the body.

To go by that logic we could surmise that since Forrest also dropped Shane in that fight, that Shane can't take it to the chin either.

 

I haven't read a single post,...so I am not being led here.


1. Rocky Marciano vs. Joe Louis--Joe would have butchered Rock "prime for prime".

2. Aaron Pryor vs. Antonio Cervantes--This may be an unpopular pick,...but Cervantes in his prime would have outpointed Pryor ,...imho.

3. Terry Norris vs. SR Leonard--Ray would have taken his ass out inside of seven rounds "prime for prime".

4. Larry Holmes vs. Muhammad Ali--Total decision fight here....with Ali the clear winner "prime for prime".

5. SR Leonard vs. Marvin Hagler--I still thought he won close,....but "prime for prime" at middleweight, Marvin stops him late.

6. Michael Spinks vs. Larry Holmes-- Holmes was definitely on the downside, yet we all thought that he wouldn't have to worry 'bout Michael.
"prime for prime"....Larry administers a PAINFUL boxing lesson, en route to a PAINFUL late round TKO.

7. Oscar De La Hoya vs. Julio Cesar Chavez--Four years prior to their 1997 fight, prime for prime JCC would have raped him.

8. Antonio Tarver vs. Roy Jones-- The weight gain/loss hampered him along with his disinterest and his age.
"Prime for Prime" Roy Jones plays with, and destroys this guy like he is nothing.

All I can think of at this moment:stir:

 

De La Hoya beats the 1993 version of Chavez bad.

 

I have to respectfully disagree with you there.

Hell, JCC gave him hell in '98.

And I was wrong.....ODLH beat JCC in '96, not '97.

Chavez at his prime would have beaten the living HELL out of DLH at any weight between 130 and 140

 

He gave Oscar trouble in 1998 because Oscar fought a stupid fight, unlike the first time they got together.

Chavez was very much on his way down in 1993 and would be beaten three times over the next year.

And yes, Chavez probably would have beaten Oscar between 130 and 140, but not in 1993 he wouldn't have. Besides Chavez wasn't prime @ 140 anyway.

 

I will agree with you on that. Good post.:bears:

 

:laughing::laughing:The hell he was!

 

DLH probably would've always given Chavez a good fight, although I have serious doubts he'd win. I'd make Chavez the slight favorite.

Where do we match them up? The 1995 DLH at 135 against the 1987 Chavez? Or DLH in 1996/97 at 140 versus the Chavez of the late 80s/early 90s at 140?

As Tam said earlier, Chavez wasn't quite the same at 140 as he was in lower weight classes. He probably peaked in the Rosario fight @ 135. By the time DLH had his last fight @ 140 against MAGO, he had gotten more experience and was also probably more comfortable at the weight than he was @ 135.

 

I don't think prime Holmes or prime Foreman loses to Holyfield.

 

not sure about foreman.

i'd pick holmes to beat holyfield on points.

 

duran beats benitez at 140 or 147
morales beats david diaz in a similar fashion to when he beat famosito
tyson clocks lewis in 5
hopkins beats the SHIT outta taylor
hopkins beats calzaghe clearly
ray leonard KTFOs terry norris in a brutal fashion