Assuming Floyd's "retirement" is real... will he go down as greater than Roy?

then got KOd by the #1 contender

 

Maybe he should've retired at 31.

 

Roy was a league above Fraud,.. perhaps if Jones palmed heads up, thrusted his elbow and forearm into peoples eyes and throats, or twisted his back, clinched and ran excessively to avoid all the heat during the span of his career, he would still be in his prime, and nobody would give a fuck about Fraud's split decision over Oscar.

I cant think of anyone in history who relied on fundamental fouls to defend himself as much as Fraud, infact 'as much' is too mild a term, a conventional block was rare, his fouling never ceased, it never ceased, and was praised by the American fans as 'genius'.. thats how screwed up and dettached this sport is, alongside the corruption.

Fraud's real legacy should be disqualified,..that and ducking Margarito like a frightenned bitch ofcourse.

 

if he did that his roosters wouldve been eating rubbish

 

I'll take Hopkins & Toney over any two opponents in Floyd's career.

I'd also take titles from 160-heavyweight over Floyd's accomplishments.

Sad, really. Watching Floyd dismantle Genaro Hernandez, I was almost certain he'd one day surpass Roy. He can still do it if he steps back in the ring against the right opponents. Unless, of course, Roy beats Calzaghe.

 

Co sign. Floyd can pass Roy because the 147 division is loaded with talent. Right now he is not above Roy with either skills or accomplishments.

 

I agree with you for once :kidcool:

Right now Roy wins hands down, and I don't even see how it's an argument.

Roy's beaten Hopkins, Toney, and one of his wins that I feel is very underrated is the Ruiz win. Ruiz might be highly unpopular, but he is no bum, and Roy moved up to heavyweight and dominated him.

Floyd could just about surpass roy, if he impressively beat Cotto, Marge, and Williams, but clearly he doesn't fancy his chances.

 

Agreed - although I don't think Floyd Mayweather Jr. really thinks any of those three can beat him.

I don't think he fears Margarito but sees no reason to fight him at this point. Same with Cotto. Floyd has repeatedly stated that he asked Arum for Cotto multiple times at 140 and was turned down with "he's not ready yet" and "let the fight build up steam." Shoe's on the other foot and Floyd is taking their advice.

Finally, Mayweather & Williams share the same management. Management who I've heard has NO intentions of pitting the two against each other. They believe Williams is the next "one" and the prior loss to Quintana did not change that. They won't pit their present against their future. Of course, I'm assuming Floyd will return.

 

In all seriousness I think the only opponent that would cast doubts on Floyd is Cotto.

Who knows what all this retirement bullshit is about though, it's annoying.

 

Well Cotto has to get by Margarito first - thank God we're fans and he's the fighter because if he looks ahead half as much as we're doing, he'll be looking up at lights in the ceiling.

I really don't know what this retirement is about but let's see what we hear in the coming days.

 

though Floyd was never schooled by anyone is his prime like Jones was against Griffen, i'd still put Jones ahead

 

Floyd had more trouble with Castillo than Roy did with Griffin.

 

And it's not like he knocked Castillo out in one round in the rematch.

 

if Castillo was a pillow fisted midget then that comparison could mean something

 

:laughing: This quote made me laugh thinking of the way Fraud fought the rematch.

 

I wouldn't even say that.

Jones:

Toney
Hopkins
Hill
Ruiz
Tarver
Griffin
Johnson (Reggie)
Trinidad
Woods
McCallum


Mayweather:

De La Hoya
Hatton
Corrales
Baldomir
Castillo
Judah
Gatti
Chavez
Hernandez
Corley

 

Roy is greater because until he nearly died by cutting 25 lbs of muscle after dominating Ruiz at heavy, he simply beat the dog shit out of everyone with ease, something that Floyd has failed to do. Floyd wins most fights comfortably.. but it's just that... comfortable, non-commital, and in some cases controversial wins. Roy clowned the fuck out of almost everyone that got in the ring with him, and left 0 doubt about who was the greater fighter that night, and who is the greatest fighter of all time.

 

:bears::bears::bears::hammert:

 

This cat isn't even the GOAT @ Super Middle, let alone the best fighter out of Florida
:shit::shit::shit::shit::shit::shit::shit::shit:

 

if they both stopped fighting right now, i think floyd has the better overall resume and quality competition. i would rank floyd higher than jones. i am skeptical that floyd is done fighting tho - and jones may have some wins left in him too, which could move him ahead of floyd depending on who he beats.

 

I fail to see how anyone could rank Floyd higher. Seriously. Are we going by resume? Because Floyd Mayweather hasn't had a significant win (I'm talking legacy, not financial) in a long time. A REAL long time. And what he accomplished at 130 and 135 is not enough to topple Roy. Heck, what he's done at 140 and 147 doesn't topple Roy's one move to HW!

 

I tend to agree with this. Beating a semi-retired and old Oscar and Ricky were good wins, but were much more important financially than they were in terms of 'legacy'. The one fight which could and should have happened is with Cotto, and it now looks like it won't. That will hurt Floyd when his career is scrutinized again in years to come.

 

While I believe Roy's head and shoulders above Floyd, I'm surprised to see the number of guys wisely saying so.

Floyd was a brilliant technician whereas Roy in his prime was true boxing genius. In most of his fights (even the later ones when he coasted) he'd do something you'd never see. Floyd never captivated folks like Roy did.

What Roy did at heavyweight keeps him on top of Floyd in my opinion. Plus, whether you like HOW it happened or not...going from light heavy champ, to heavy champ back to light heavy champ is unprecedented.

Floyd's retirement is simply premature. I think he's so caught up in being undefeated that he forgets that the greatest fighters ever all lost and came back...that added to their legacy.

There's plenty comp out there for Floyd. He's not interested in fighting them which hurts his legacy in my opinion.

Regardless...I believe he'll be back.

 

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Well let's see. RJ beat 2 fighters that are greater than anyone PBF ever beat in his career. Hopkins and James Toney. RJ even went to Heavyweight and beat John Ruiz. Ruiz isnt a great fighter but he does have some names under his resume. In my opinion there is no doubt. RJ in his prime never came close to losing. Where PBF has a questionable win against Castillo.

 

Good post!

 

Ummm, RJJ DID lose in his prime. So I would say he came a little closer than Floyd did. Roy/Griffen was very close at the time of the DQ too.

Also, to play devils advocate, you can argue that Roy was only a true champion in one division (168) and Floyd was a true champ in three.

 

agREED, roy is heads and shoulders above floyd peak for peak.

disagREED that floyd has hurt his legacy for retiring.

 

Yeah, on his best day Roy could probably beat anyone his size or smaller in the history of boxing. At worst he would be even money with a select few, IMO.

 

I hope he clowns Calzaghe just to shut you up.