The Daily Obamanation .... ALL ROLLED INTO ONE

That's what I figured ... :bears:

 

I think Godfather puts forth a very valid, well researched, and wonderfully put together argument.

 

Petre, according to the laws of the United States, which I quoted, Obama was a US citizen the second he was born on US soil.

This isn't a new law or amendment.

 

OK ... I see what you're saying and I don't disagree.

My point was (See thread title) , Obama may need to prove it ... same as McCain had to.

The other half of this story ... speculates that Obama may not have actually been born in Hawaii as claimed , but rather outside the USA . They failed to produce a birth certificate for a while , only now do they have a barely legible "copy" on "Fight the Smears" where other blatant lies have already been found.

That sight claims
Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian


His own brother tells a different story.

 

Oh my god! A politician wearing the traditional garments of his family and their region? It can't be!

I've worn traditional albanian clothes that are very muslim influenced. Does that make me a muslim? I've worn traditional albanian clothes that have ties to traditional balkan orthodox catholic clothing. Does that make me an Orthodox Catholic?

 

pastre has completely lost it...soon pastre will be getting all of his news information from the national enquirer and the globe magazine:

look pastre obama was abandoned by his mother twice: :kidcool:

http://www.globemagazine.com/

 

I guess none of you also believe Obama had an alias name of Barry Soetoro or was listed as such , as a citizen of Indonesia, either.

 

I quoted OBAMA's own ANTI SMEAR SIGHT which is proving to be about as credible as the GLOBE ... So ... Good analogy! ::

 

Did Obama appear regularly on radio programs of enemies of the U.S. during a war????

NOPE Good ole McCain did. :hammert:

 

You might also want to add that McCain did so against his will while serving 7 years as a POW after being shot down while flying one of several combat missions over Vietnam while in the service of his country.

I don't know, all those little details just seem important to me.

 

Is there any validity to that claim? That would cool to see documentation on.

 

That's the keyword here.

 

yep.. What IandI tends to forget is that McCain was being held against his will. It's not like he took a commercial flight to Vietnam just to spill information.

And I would absolutely bet my life that a squirmy character like IandI would sell out his own mother if he was ever a POW.

 

He'd sell out his own mother just to get some attention on this message board.

TFK

 

I don't see anyone cheering for McCain. Just seems to me there's some questions that may need addressing.

 

If you and your kind the only ones asking these questions, then they really don't need addressing.

 

That has nothing to do with whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.

It sounds pretty funny though. ::

 

birthright citizenship = :shit:

it contributes heavily to the illegal immigration problem

 

I never said it did directly ...

 

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Who's the real mental midget? Me thinks its the wonk so quick to believe the batch of lies and innuendos he's been fed for the last few months.

 

:laughing:..I have to say PetreTG...you're one of the best posters here!

 

all i hafta say about obama is "AIPAC"

 

The lies continue...the Obamanites will turn a blind eye

Obama is a fraud , and you all have been bamboozled by your man. He's using you blind fools to get votes and he has no intention of keeping any promises , big or small ...

The Obamanites , a breed of blind human beings when it comes to human nature will chalk this up to playing politics. But it's just another in a looong series of lies , deceptions and manipulation as he shysters his way to the top.

This thread will now be the new Daily Obamanation ... it will serve as record to all the lies the Obamanites turned their eyes from and the excuses his supporters here gave , if they're capable of giving any.

On an added note , I find it ironic that some of the Obama supporters here , the most vocal , are also religious. But it makes sense , because they are truly walking by faith and not by sight when it comes to their saviour Obama.

This article below to start off this thread only serves as evidence that Obama is not a man of his word. He sells his bullshit, then does whatever he wants with no intentions of ever being honest.

For the record ... I don't like McCain any better and the only way REAL change comes is when people wake up to the liars , and vote for an honest man that truly will be for the people. See ... if everyone that voted for the "lesser evil" instead voted for someone other ... we might actually get CHANGE.

As it looks , that won't be happening any time soon. As you've all been suckered into believing there's only 2 choices ... in actuality , you're being bought and Obama has just made a move to buy the most hoes.

Having said that ... the comment from the McCain camp at the end of the article nails it.
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Obama to Break Promise, Opt Out of Public Financing for General Election

June 19, 2008 8:58 AM
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--> In a web video to supporters -- "the people who built this movement from the bottom up" -- Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, announced this morning that he will not enter into the public financing system, despite a previous pledge to do so.

"We've made the decision not to participate in the public financing system for the general election," Obama says in the video, blaming it on the need to combat Republicans, saying "we face opponents who’ve become masters at gaming this broken system. John McCain’s campaign and the Republican National Committee are fueled by contributions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs. And we’ve already seen that he’s not going to stop the smears and attacks from his allies running so-called 527 groups, who will spend millions and millions of dollars in unlimited donations."
In November 2007, Obama answered "Yes" to Common Cause when asked "If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?"

Obama wrote: "In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

Not so "aggressively," according to the McCain campaign, which argues that Obama did not discuss this or try to negotiate at all with the McCain campaign, despite writing that he would "aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
The Obama campaign disputes this. Obama campaign counsel Bob Bauer met with McCain campaign counsel Trevor Potter and, according to Obama spox Bill Burton, Potter "immediately made it clear there was no basis for further discussion," that they weren't interested in any sort of agreement. "McCain and the RNC had spent months raising and spending money for the general election, and their basic attitude was 'You'll catch up,'" Burton says, suggesting that the Republicans were also turning a blind eye to the activities of 527s.
In April Obama seemed to be preparing an argument to opt out, as we noted at the time.

"We have created a parallel public financing system where the American people decide if they want to support a campaign they can get on the Internet and finance it, and they will have as much access and influence over the course and direction of our campaign that has traditionally been reserved for the wealthy and the powerful," Obama said at the time.
Today he said something similar, telling supporters, "Instead of forcing us to rely on millions from Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs, you’ve fueled this campaign with donations of $5, $10, $20, whatever you can afford. And because you did, we’ve built a grassroots movement of over 1.5 million Americans. ...You’ve already changed the way campaigns are funded because you know that’s the only way we can truly change how Washington works."
Obama said, "I’m asking you to try to do something that’s never been done before. Declare our independence from a broken system, and run the type of campaign that reflects the grassroots values that have already changed our politics and brought us this far."
Declaring independence from a "broken system" by breaking a promise. Obama hopes you'll care more about the former than the latter.

- jpt
UPDATE: McCain campaign communications director Jill Hazelbaker emails: “Today, Barack Obama has revealed himself to be just another typical politician who will do and say whatever is most expedient for Barack Obama. The true test of a candidate for President is whether he will stand on principle and keep his word to the American people. Barack Obama has failed that test today, and his reversal of his promise to participate in the public finance system undermines his call for a new type of politics. Barack Obama is now the first presidential candidate since Watergate to run a campaign entirely on private funds. This decision will have far-reaching and extraordinary consequences that will weaken and undermine the public financing system.”

 

In reference to the above ... here is what Obama said BEFORE ... when he was trying to get the nomination ...
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QUESTION:
If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private
funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?

OBAMA'S ANSWER:
Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns
combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of
moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State
Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold’s (DWI)
bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed
a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election.
My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return
excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general
election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they
would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election.
The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (r-
AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic
nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to
preserve a publicly financed general election.

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Question :
If elected President, would you support and work to enact legislation creating a voluntary
public financing system for congressional candidates?

OBAMA:
Yes. I am a cosponsor of the Fair Elections Now Act because I believe it
imperative that we get big money out of the political process. That’s why I have also
made the pledge that my campaign will not accept money from special interest PACs or
registered federal lobbyists.

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Question :
Do you believe that Section 527 groups which are organized primarily to affect federal
elections should be required by the Federal Election Commission and/or Congress to
comply with the campaign finance laws that apply to all other candidate, party and
political committees whose goal is to influence federal elections?

OBAMA:
Yes.

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OBAMA

 

Obama would be a fool to go for public financing and Barack ain't no fool! Mccain ain't taking public financing either so its a non issue.

 

So then you admit he's a liar.

 

McCain was FOR amnesty and now because it suits his political purposes he's claiming to be tough on immigration. blah blah blah. Politicians are all the same.

No point in singling out Barack....you know as well as I then when you vote you vote for the lesser of two evils.

 

But I thought Obama was different? Where is the 'change' if Obama is the same as the rest?


TFK

 

Well....he 'looks' different than the rest. So there's the change. :laughing: