REcent photos of Miguel Cotto: LOOKS STRONGER THAN EVER!

, ridiculous posts.

Margarito walks through hell against Cintron (taking plenty of flush shots that NOBODY in the division could take) and comes forward and KO's him.

But he has no determination.

 

Marg vs. Williams wasn't about Marg not having guts/determination..it was about Marg having just one game plan....atttack..attack..attack...lucky for him Williams did tired down the stretch enable Marg to win a few rounds....

 

No it's not Mex is always so fucking aggressive so don't criticize people for shooting back.

 

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What are you talking about you twat? When did I chop and change my mind?

Do you know what I've said all along, HE DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH GUTS AS PEOPLE THINK. He is referred to as this uber gutsy fighter, and I am simply asking where has he shown this huge amount of guts?

When did I say he is a fighter with no guts, no determination, and no courage at all. I simply said those attributes, he has less than people think, and they are therefore overrated.

I even said he has more guts than baby cow diaz, why would I suggest he has more guts than another fighter if my whole argument was that he has ZERO guts?

Arguing with you is like arguing with a child, you nitpick like a little kid.

Yes he finally started fighting a bit in the late rounds, that doesn't mean "oh wait he has courage I was wrong before". It's simply what he was supposed to do, he is an aggressive fighter, he was supposed to attack williams, and if he was as gutsy as you lot and the maxboxing bellends think he is, he would have ferociously attacked williams long before round 8 or 9.

I haven't seen the Perez fight, but the Santos rematch was hardly a huge showing of heart and guts was it?

 

And the funny thing is, Kenny cites the Santos fight as an example of Marge's incredible guts and determination ::

 

Sorry, I was blinded by joony's awful, unoriginal insults. It's like he's 5.

 

I mean, "go choke on a cow dick"?

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Please.

 

I don't really get the criticism of Margarito in either Santos fight, both were stopped because of cuts.

I thought he was complaining about the stoppage in the rematch. It sounded to me like he was saying "uno mas" to doctor in the corner.

What exactly lacked guts and determination about wanting to continue fighting?

 

I don't know where to begin - I'll ignore the insults and get right to boxing.

I think you should go watch the Perez fight. Just quit while you're behind.

And the Santos fight...are you asking me or are you telling me it wasn't a showing of heart and determination? I'll answer for you...you're asking because you've clearly never seen anything more than clips on youtube.

Margarito-Santos was a WAR in Santos' backyard and that's because Margarito made it one. That's not even Santos' style but he was forced to fight and he did just that. They went toe to toe, with Margarito walking through absolute fire when it looked early on as if Santos was going to KHTFO. He was rocked badly twice and decked on countless occasions but walked right through it all and unloaded on Santos. Completely turned the fight around and took over down the stretch. Although when it went to the cards, it was still anyone's fight.

There are many more fights like that in Margarito's resume because that's exactly the kind of fighter he is. He goes to war and if you can't hang you're f*cked. Ask Joshua Clottey. I'm not picking him over Cotto but can we stop acting like he's some average fighter? Miguel Cotto would agree.

And the Williams fight...your opinion is certainly in the minority and with good reason. I mean, do you understand what you're watching? You haven't seen Margarito much...it just shows. His slow starts are what he's been doing his whole career. Like the Perez fight, the second Santos fight and a bunch of others that you haven't seen. But the fact that he closed strong - like he's done his whole career - should tell you something.

The Williams fight certainly doesn't prove or disprove anything about heart and determination. How about some credit to "The Punisher" who threw over 1400 punches and won the fight with a gutty final round? I mean seriously dude, put that corny, petty beef with Margarito away - it's affecting your judgement.

Wanna see how Margarito reacts to getting put on his back? Or what he does when he's badly hurt? Go watch those fights. And then get back to me. You probably won't.

 

Let me make this clear: while I'll be rooting for my boy Cotto to win, I do know that if there is someone out there you can KO silly Miguel Cotto is Antonio Margarito. This is NOT an easy fight for Cotto. In fact I'll be praying come fight nightray:

 

Can anyone tell me what happened to the title Margarito won against Cintron? was he stripped because he is going to fight Cotto instead of a bum mandatory from the alphabet organization?:dunno:

 

I think Arum made Margarito-Cintron II basically with the understanding that if Margarito won he was going to drop the belt and fight Cotto.

Aside from both Margarito and Cotto, Top Rank also promotes Clottey, who is the mandatory...so they don't really lose anything in this situation.

 

That doesn't make sense. A unification bout is always more lucrative.

 

madness. i despise margarita - but to say he hasnt shown guts/courage/toughness??? haha, that's the one quality that can be universally agreed upon that he does have

 

who isn't ordering the ppv or buying a ticket because marian muhammads feeble prize is not on the linen?

 

Steve I was actually going to shoot you a PM. I was hesitant about replying to Joony, I wanted to ask you or Cupey if he is retarded? I actually thought he might be. This is exactly the sort of "smack" I would expect to come out of a 6 or 7 year old's mouth.

I was going to retaliate with a vicious tirade, then compassion got the better of me and I changed my mind. I actually feel a little sorry for Joony.

Still he's obviously doing OK though right? I mean he has a job, and can look after himself, and feed himself etc right?

 

Hahaha, actually I've seen a lot of Marge fights. Don't patronise me Kenneth.

Look at my name, I'm a BIG fan of Mexican fighters, I just fucking love their guts, style, whole fighting spirit, chin, everything.

I WANTED to like Marge, even since he first started getting talked about etc. Seemed like the kind of guy I would like, exciting, attacking fighter.

However, he just isn't that good. I never thought he was as good as people said, I just didn't know what people saw in him.

Who I said I thought he was an average fighter? Clearly, to be a legit belt holder, he is a little more than an average fighter.

But in context, for a fighter on the world stage, or a world champion, in THAT context I would have to say yes he is pretty average.

Like I said I haven't seen the Perez fight, if I can get hold of it I'll watch it, but I have seen both Santos fights and quite a few others, and I don't see this huge display of heart against Santos in the rematch. I think he could have fought harder.

Just compare him to someone like Morales or Vargas and tell me he is as gutsy as them.

He comes forward because that's all he can do, just like Tua, it doesn't mean they have huge guts.

Marge is a slow starter? Please, he sometimes is a slow starter for ONE round.

Have you even seen as many Marge fights as you claim?

How both Cintron fights and the no chins lewis fight? Sure didn't look like a slow starter to me... at all. I think he also has a fair few early KO's over bums.

Margarito isn't a slow starter.

Also where do you get this idea that I think marge is a bum? If that's what I thought, I wouldn't have bet on him over Williams. I just think he is overrated, not the modern day legend that many people - including you and all the maxboxing staff - seem to think he is. Plus I sincerely don't think he is gutsy as he is made out to be, he is similar to Juan Diaz in that respect, although certainly MORE gutsy than Diaz.

And to make things clear, let me reiterate, there are varying degrees of gutsyness - a fighter doesn't have loads of guts, or NONE at all, there is plenty of room in between.

And the fact that Marge merely came alive a bit late in the williams fight is NOT a huge showing of guts me at all, he showed some guts to rally back a bit late on sure, but it was simply what he should have done in the start of the fight - ie actually fight and attack williams, he might have won the fight if he had nutted up earlier. I also thought he could have fought harder, even late on he didn't REALLY go for it like he wanted to.

I'm not in the minority either, at all, aside from you, Tam, and maxboxing - most people had Tall Paul comfortably beating Williams.

 

Whatever dude. Feel free to go watch that second Santos fight and the Perez fight and get back to me.

Peace

 

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I already said before, I've seen the second Santos fight, it's only the Perez fight I haven't seen.

And no, the second Santos fight wasn't a huge display of heart and guts.

 

bump

 

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As delusional as your belief he only won three rounds against Paul Williams.