Pavlik-Williams is on.

I don't see how people think this is a bad decision for Williams. He's got virtually nothing at 147lbs. He can't fight floyd. Cotto has been tied up for quite some time now, and if he beats Margarito, he'll be lobbying for a fight with floyd. He can't fight Berto. Besides hatton, nobody at 140 brings any money to the table.

147, although it's deep, it ends there in regards to money fights.

So he moves up to 160 and loses. So what? That's what everyone will say. He lost because he moved up two weight divisions to fight a big middleweight that happens to be the undefeated world champ and everyones favorite fighter.

Then he goes down to 154 and picks up titles from that talentless division and look like a king in the process.

If he wins, it would be a HUGE upset and would catapult him into stardom.

It's a win win win situation for him. Yes, 3 wins, not just two. He'll also be making about a million more dollars than he would fighting anyone at 147.



Pavlik's decision to fight williams is the shocking one. This is a huge risk with very little reward.


I'm looking forward to this fight though. Williams is just as tall as pavlik and has a longer reach. With his punch output, it will make things interesting.

 

You mean to tell me that we r going to accept this fight for Pavlik when there is another undefeated champion in the same divison. That's the fight that needs to be made @160. I know that abraham just got done fighting. However the Pavlik/Abraham fight can take place at the end of the year. that could be a potiential fight of the year. As far as Williams is concerned. Why take this fight? There r hella fights @147 that he should want. He can take on the winner of Cotto/Margarito, the winner of the Zab Judah fight and or fight Berto. I mean these r all good fights. This is a no win situation for Pavlik cause if he wins he beat a dude that is 2 weight divisons below him. And for williams he could possibly get ruined and suffer a career ending beat down. I'll Holla 5000

 

i dont think there's much wrong w/ a middleweight champ fighting a welterweight champ (at least a title holder). williams is a tall lanky dude and stylistically he could pose some problems.

if the trend continues, then folks can start bitching, but pavlik seems like the type that would just go by whatever his promoter offers him.

i'd much rather see this fight than a previously talked about matchups against guys like duddy and rubio.

plus, the abraham fight is inevitable for next year anyhow.

 

Everyone knows that the Pavlik-Abraham fight won't happen this year.

Cotto is the only money fight. He, Floyd, and Berto share the same manager.

 

So now we are giving fighters the clearance to take on smaller fighters. That shit is whack and should be accepted. I'll Holla 5000

 

I don't think it's that big a risk really

 

Abraham has to fight Marquez next, his mandatory is due. Pavlik will have a fight in the meantime and they will fight after that. I have no doubt that it happens late this year or early next year.

I'd rather Pavlik fight a young giant welterweight than any of the fringe contenders they have mentioned lately.

 

Right, Z. Abraham is NOT available right now for a Pavlik fight.

 

I'm really suprised at Williams camp for taking this..

IMO this is the first fight in a while.. maybe moreso than even Hatto-Floyd.. where I think one guy (Williams) has NO SHOT at winning

I wouldn't be suprised if this fight only lasts 3 rounds.. I think Pavlik will hurt him with Jabs.

I think Williams is not hard to hit.. and I think he likes to trade.. all of which will be suicide vs Pav..

on top of it.. I think Pav is the better boxer!

 

I meant moreso that the fact that besides a payday, this fight does nothing for Pavlik.

I should have worded it better by saying that this fight would be career damaging for Pavlik if he were to lose, while a loss on Williams' record wouldn't mean much considering the circumstances.

 

agreed there..

if Pav loses.. he's done.. or better claim he was sick::

 

He might die or take a career ending beatdown! Also, if he tries to bulk up to 160 he's gonna have a hell of a time getting back down to 147 where he is the most effective!

HUGE mistake by Williams IMO. Best case scenario that I can envision is he folds early, doesn't take a sustained beatdown, and gets paid well for it.

 

REED'll Take it a Step Fuuuuuuurther...

If Pavlik Doesn't DOMINATE Paul Williams, Bob Arum will have OFFICIALLY KILLED the Momentum & Goodwill Pavlik Built after the 1st Taylor Fight...

Kelly Pavlik is on the Brink of SUPERSTARDOM & will LITERALLY Fight ANYBODY Placed N Front of him, so Now is NOT the Time for his Promoter to Get GUNSHY N Terms of Matchmaking:nono:...This is Teetering on Becoming 1 of Arum's WORST Cases of Promotion EVER...

Even if Pavlik KO's Williams N the 1st Round, it'll B a "So What" Type of Victory...& ANY Degree of "Trouble" Pavlik has w/Williams will Chip AWAY @ his Credibility...

& U're Right, if Pavlik were to LOSE, it'd B 1 of THE Most EMBARASSING Losses N Boxing History...

There's Absolutely NO "Reward" N this Fight for Pavlik...NONE...The ONLY Time U Take a ZERO Reward Fight is if the Opponent is a MANDATORY for your Title...

Paul Williams ISN'T Even That...



REED:kidcool:

 

You think it's because Arum's gunshy? I don't necessarily think that's the reason.

A fight against Rubio wasn't going to get Pavlik any attention. Williams would...it'll be a significantly bigger fight for Pavlik than some of the other options, so from a promoter's standpoint, I can see why he's making the fight. Williams has fought on HBO and Showtime...he's got some name recognition, so there will be more press, more coverage, more eyeballs more butts in the seats.

Plus, Williams is a huge welterweight and has fought above that weight so it won't look like a mismatch size-wise.

If Pavlik wins and does so in an entertaining way, then what's the loss from a promotional standpoint?

Frankly, I don't understand it from Goossen's standpoint. He has a good young welterweight champion, who's never been knocked out. If that changes because he fights Pavlik two divisions above where he holds a title, then I think he has some serious questions to answer.

Williams has size and style that could make it interesting for some rounds, but if he tires and if his punch output drops, like it did over the second half against Margarito, Williams could take some real punishment...perhaps career-shortening punishment.

 

Williams is a better opponent than Marco Antonion Rubio or Sergio Mora who were the other opponents being considered. We should be thankful they didn't sink that low. On the other hand, I'd love to see Pavlik knock Mora out brutally.

 

Agreed 100%. I was very much looking forward to Pavlik slaughtering that cunt Mora. I like Paul, and I dont wanna see him get fucked up.

 

Double - you usually like Mexican fighters, for what reason do you want to see Mora knocked out brutally?

We all hate mora, including me, I just want to know why exactly - is it just the intangibles? ::

 

Who?:dunno:

 

Is nothing new in boxing. In fact some 'smaller' boxers even struck gold jumping two divsions (Duran & Mosley comes to mind).

 

this fight is only interesting because Williams is not just another welterweight moving up. He is tall and skilled. Not to mention he is a big name at 147.

But Arum has no excuse to wast Pavlik's year like this.

 

Paul Williams started his pro career at middleweight apparently, so I think that's a fair indication that he'll be right, he knows what he's doing, he certainly doesnt lack size for the division, I mean people thought it was absolutely amazing!!.. when lil middleweight Bernard moved up two divisions and beat Tarver, an apparent huge lightheavy.. yet during the staredown people were SHOCKED at the complete lack of size difference between the two?,...how the fuck was that possible?..:boohoo:

 

Not much difference in size there bro. 1" difference in height and Williams starves his ass off to make welter. Im sure that they walk around close to the same size when no ttraining for a fight.

 

Actually Williams is not particularly skilled. Not unskilled, but not exactly skilled either. He's basically a swarmer, there aren't many facets to his game other than his size, reach, huge workrate and stamina. His success relies on similar attributes to Juan Diaz in that regard, only he is obviously much bigger and taller for his division.

 

I assure you, Kelly Pavlik don't walk around anythin close to what Williams does.

 

First and foremost, we should give Williams the credit for having the stones to make a jump like this. It's not like he's moving up to face a paper champ, he's moving up to face one of the most feared punchers in boxing.

I can still see Williams being competitive in this fight and am pretty surprised that people think he will get crushed in one round. We're talking about a guy who is 6'2 or so and has a reach as long as Wladimir Klitschko. He should be able to carry the weight easily.


And what's waiting for him at 147 anyway? The only money fight is Cotto and that fight was never close to being discussed, nor will it be. Otherwise, there's nothing for him.

Basically, he can't get a fight at 147, but he can get a huge fight at 160. If he loses, he just loses six pounds and picks up titles at 154. He would also be favored over pretty much anyone at that weight as well.

Personally, I find it to be a brilliant choice by Williams and his team.


EDIT: And how can you not agree with a guy whose entrance music is "Aint no stoppin us now"

 

just goes to show how misjudged i am around here - the idea that i'd like a fighter simply because he's Mexican? ridiculous. More might be Mexican American, but he fights like a pussy and I can barely sit through his fights. Fk him. I wanna see him KO'd brutally.

 

No, not misjudged at all.

You tend to like Mexican fighters, that's just a fact. I never said you like a fighter JUST because he is Mexican.

I am the same, I tend to like Mexican fighters because of their style, guts, heart, chin etc. They are fucking great to watch.

But there are many Mexican fighters I just don't like, including Diaz and Marge.

 

REED Actually LIKES Sergio Mora...

It all Began from Watching him on "The Contender"...Mora's ALOT more "Mental" than Most Boxers...He REEDs, he Saves Meaningful QUOTES & he's WELL SPOKEN...

& REED Likes that....

N the Ring, Mora has an ATHLETIC Core that REED likes N Fighters...HANDSPEED, MOBILITY, Good FOOTWORK, etc...

& Despite his SHITTY KO Ratio, Mora CAN B Offensive Minded when he Wants to B...For MUCH of the 2nd Half of the Forrest Fight, it was Vernon who was Against the Ropes, NOT Mora...

Mora Certainly ISN'T a "Pussy" as Doub Labels him...& he Fights w/an UNDERRATED Level of INTENSITY...

It's NOT like Mora is Cory Spinks or Something...


REED:hammert:

 

williams will be hurt early.. by maybe even a jab..

Kelly punches pretty heavy and Williams is easy to hit

 

I wonder if Williams has "keep-away" ability he hasn't shown much of til this point.

Could he fight negatively early like he did late agianst 'garito?