Mayweather blasts HBO! Floyd alleges announcers of racism

Outside the ring, DLH was corporate, but on fight night they tried to highlight the Mexican in Mexican American.

I'm trying to remember, didn't DLH have a Mexican flag on his shorts when he first fought Chavez? He had the mariachi's in Vegas, the mariachi outfit against Charpentier (I think). That's certainly not toning down the "Mexican" vibe.

 

ALL ALONG, REED has Implied that THE NORM for DeLa was to Highlight the "Mexican" N "Mexican-American"...But Merchant, Being an "Affluent, Elderly White Man", who Clearly DOESN'T UNDERSTAND such Matters Took Offense & Thought it was a PLOY on DeLa's Part...

Here's YOUR Quote...

Merchant understood the attempts DLH/Arum made to make him more marketable to Mexican/Mexican American fans.

NOW U're Pointing Out OTHER Instances of DeLa Exhibiting his Mexican Pride....But HOW does that Mix w/Merchant BITCHING about DeLa Wearing a Sombrero or ACCUSING him of ONLY Doing So to Appeal to Mexican Fans, if he NORMALLY Does it???...

Like YOU just Said, DeLa's Done Similar Things on Other Occasions & like REED Said, DeLa has TONED DOWN the "Mexican" Vibe N some of his More MAINSTREAM Fights (vs. Trinidad Most Notably)...


REED:hammert:

 

The quote during the Whitaker fight was frankly appropriate, IMO.

With the mariachi outfit...I thought it deserved to be ridiculed. Frankly, Ricky Hatton looked more natural in it than DLH did.

 

And how does this support your MINORITY argument?? As far as i'm concerned Merchant LOVES Erik Morales who is mexican.


I think he just can't stand quite a few fighters and most of them happen to be black and the fact he hates rap music entrances doesn't help the guys...


Maybe he is racist towards wannabe gangsta culture glorifying black guys... :dunno:

 

Riiiiight!!!!...

So ANYBODY that Enters the Ring to Rap Music is a "Wannabe" who's "Glorifying Gangsta Culture"???...

That's like Saying ALL Euro's R HOMOSEXUALS w/BAD TEETH...


REED:hammert:

 

WOW!!!...

REED's Officially Heard it ALL Now...


REED:mj:

 

I agree in essence, there is a double standard when it comes to entrances, Pavlik's allowed to march in like Hitler to angry white-boy death-metal, but blacks are NOT supposed to cruise in to a bitta gangster rap?, "that's unsophisticated! and uncivillised!,..*shreik!* ....un-white more like it. I like the old school versions of both genres just quietly :mj:.

 

Well you got the bad teeth part right! :laughing:

 

Oscar is the other part.

 

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How many white fighters (fighting in the states) have had musicicans do their ring entrances live in the arena?

Outside of Manfredy having Kid Rock do his when he fought Mayweather, I can't think of a whole lot.

There's no doubt Merchant would prefers the "strains" Golota came out to in the Bowe rematch...he seemed to eat that up at the time.

I don't think Merchant likes most entrances.

 

Not True @ All...

When Prince Naseem Hamed Started Fighting on HBO, Merchant LIKED It & Said that Fancy Entrances was an Element that Boxing Should DEFINITELY BORROW from Professional Wrestling...

But 1nce the Brothers Followed Suit, Merchant COULDN'T Bitch ENOUGH about Rap Related Entrances, "Posse's", "Entourages" & he INSINUATED that those Fighters DESERVED to LOSE, as a Result...

It's Merchant's PREROGATIVE to LIKE or DISlike whatever he Wants...But When he Uses a PUBLIC Forum to REPEATEDLY Air a PERSONAL BEEF of his, that's Fucked Up...


REED:boohoo:

 

You've mentioned one style of entrace, and that was a European-style elaborate entrance, (I think the quote was something "the end of Western Civilization").

Did Merchant continue on praising Hamed when he had entrances like Halloween Night?

 

Just wondering, did Merchant whine when Fat Joe and Big Pun came out with Tito for the DLH fight?

I know Merchant was a big Trinidad fan.

 

Prince Naz put on a show with his entrances. He was a showman.

Vernon Forrest taking his time looking like a fool wasn't a show.

When Cory Spinks first came onto the scene, people made fun of him, but when he actually made a show of it, that's when he got his props.

And the "brothers" coming to the ring with their entourage. Well, I'm sorry to say it, but most of those guys are thugs, hangers on, and hooligans. A fighter doesn't bring them out for the show of it all, and they're all there trying to get camera time.

Most fighters come out to rap music. Merchant isn't ripping on every single one.

 

I think most of Pavlik's entrances are utterly disgusting, it's like the nazi-esque gathering around the 'party of the hammer' that Pink Floyd depicted in the wall, .....and as Slystaff already pointed out, his entourage of the recruitment in charge of probably 'rounding up the animals', is waving white flags? what...the....fuck?, a small impliment of origami away from turning that material into pointy white hats, but per se, it's identical in meaning but effective in disguise.."We're here!, we're white!, and we're gunna make things right!",.. and Merchant claims hip-hop rubs race in the face? ..outrageous.

 

The wordsmith is back.

Must've spent some time with a slump-buster or something, but whatever the case, he's back.:bears:

 

Larry Merchant knew that Pavlik-Miranda would be crunk.

 

did i write that somewhere u wannabe victim of racism??? :kick:

 

He also said this is the end of human culture as we know it or something like that when Hamed used Shelly Ann for the Kelley fight. I'm pretty sure he didn't like that.

ye yee... those poor brothers...

 

So What R U Saying, if a Black Fighter has an ELABORATE, Over the Top Styled RAP Entrance, It'll B Received BETTER by Merchant???...

Sorry, but Merchant has SHITTED on Enough ELABORATE Roy Jones Entrances to NIX that Theory...

As for your "End of Western Civilization" Quote, "Ya'll Musta Forgot" that Merchant LAUGHED IMMEDIATELY After Saying that:boohoo:...

& REED Doesn't Recall Merchant Having Much of a Problem w/Prince's Halloween Entrance, Either...


REED:hammert:

 

WOW!!...

Shocking Post, Coming from U...

1st of All, the Word "Show" is HARD to Interpret...Is a GLITZY, Over the Top MC Hammer Production Any More of a "Show" than an UNDERSTATED Wu-Tang Clan Performance???...

Just Because Prince Entrances Came w/Bells & Whistles DOESN'T Diminish the "Shows" that Other Fighters Put on...Roy Jones' Red & Mef Entrance was EQUALLY As Dope as Any Prince Entrance, N REED's Opinion...Yet Roy's Entrance had NONE of the Production Value of Prince's....Roy's was STILL a "Show" N it's Own Right...

2nd, it's Kinda SHITTY to Say Vernon was Looking like a Fool, but Unfortunately, that's how a "Certain Segment" of People CHOOSE to Perceive a Group of Young, Black Men...To REED, it was NO DIFFERENT than a Group of Frat Boys, N a Club, Singing N Unison to a Song they Liked...Vernon Forrest had his BOYS w/him, a Song he LIKED Accompanied him to the Ring & they All Sang Along w/Him...BIGfuckingDEAL...If a Group of WHITE Guys, Dressed EXACTLY the Same Way, Did Likewise, the Whole "Foolish" Card WOULDN'T Even B Played & U KNOW it...

3rd, Unless U Actually KNOW the Guys who were N Vernon's "Entourage" that Night, it's VERY PRESUMPTOUS of YOU to Call them "Thugs, Hooligans and Hanger Ons", Dude...AGAIN, just Cause a Black Guy Surrounds Himself w/OTHER Black Men (who Choose to Dress CASUALLY), that DOESN'T Give U the Right to Judge Soooooooo Fucking HARSHLY...

That'd B like REED ASSuming that All the White Guys N Wlad's or Pavlik's "Entourages" R NAZI'S or SKINHEADS....



REED:boohoo:

 

Thanks for PARROTING Mitchell Kane's Thoughts, Polly....

But like REED Said, Merchant LAUGHED Right after he Said that...


REED:kidcool:

 

I wasn't disagreeing with your Hamed statement, Merchant seems to like the Euro-entrances more. I think it was also him with the "beautiful man appears" comment about Klitschko's German entrances.

But again, if Merchant doesn't like rap music or rap entrances, how does that prove he's racist?

 

If REED Isn't Mistaken, he Stopped SHORT of Calling Merchant a "Racist" N his 1st Posting on this Topic...

"However", it's APPARENT that Merchant has ISSUES w/Certain Elements of Urban Culture...

Again, the FACT that he PERSISTS N Bitching about it & OPENLY Enjoys when a Fighter gets KO'ed (after Entering to Rap) is MUCH More than Merely an Observation on his Part...

It's VERY Possible to DISLIKE Elements of Other Cultures w/Out Being a Full-Blown RACIST...& When U EXPLOIT your Position to VOICE your Displeasure Publicly, it Makes U a PRICK...

U & REED Can BOTH agree that Larry Merchant is a PRICK...

REED:mj:

 

Because he's white! Duh. ::

 

Merchant is clearly out of touch with urban culture, and with much of today's culture...there's a generational gap that he's been on the other side of (and probably prefers to be) for a while.

Is he a prick? Perhaps. He certainly has been a prick to some people, and in certain instances...and you could make the case Jim Gray has been as well.

I'd still prefer them doing interviews, and with Merchant giving his comments during telecast, because frankly I think he's far more interesting to listen to than Kellerman or Lampley, and unfortunatly what use Steward had on HBO has run it's course, because he's a company man as much as Lampley.

But I think Mayweather's comments of racism have more to do with comments like this "This begs the answer, well, maybe because the women Mayweather usually spars with weren’t available." (Of course, that line probably wouldn't go over that well now with the HBO crew given Lampley's own history.)

 

Sorry, I know it's annoying to pick apart quotes like this, but we're jumping from issue to issue here...

Yes, Hammer's shows had more showmanship than a Wu show. It's a pretty simple concept.

But Wu Tang also get's the crowd involved. They don't just walk onto the stage, do their thing, without ever trying to get anyone to sing along, wave their hands, or putting their imaginary swords up in the air. What Forrest did was just roll through and look doofy with the rest of the crowd unaware of what was going on.

Holyfield also got made fun of for walking out while singing gospel music.

That still doesn't mean I'd rather be at a Hammer show. Wu takes the cake.

It's not all about bells and whistles. It's about putting on a show. Like I said, put Cory Spinks' ringwalk in the Mayorga fight on and then follow that up with his ringwalk in the second Zab fight. It's a big difference.

In the first case, Spinks was just dancing his way to the ring in a manner that many considered silly while he was surrounded by his team.

In the second case, Spinks walked out with Nelly performing a song. And they walked/danced up to the ring together and it was sometimes coordinated.

Two very different instances. One was just some dude dancing wierd, and the other was a performance.

My memory might be a bit jaded considering the fact that Forrest got clubbed in that fight, and I am wrong in calling them thugs. Forrest is actually one of the most stand up guys in boxing who takes part in many charitable causes.

BUT, most entourages are full of hangers on. Black, white or hispanic, they're mostly thugs and hangers on. It's a simple fact.

And the most notorious entourage was Duran's, a latin fighter.

Today's equivalent is Manny Pacquiao, who even his suits are in his pockets. And he's not black.

I already addressed my miscalculation on Forrest just earlier, but I'd like to say it again.

Vernon Forrest is probably one of the most stand up guys in the sport. So I was wrong in calling THEM thugs and hooligans.

But I'd go as far as to say that a very large percentage(almost a majority) of a fighters entourage are thugs, hooligans, and hangers on. Regardless of color.

And by Entourage, I mean a legitimate entourage...not three dudes there carrying your titles. I'm talking about the 12 people behind you whose jobs vary from carrying your jewelry to tying your shoes (Rahman).



And like I said, I don't think this is a race issue at all. A generation gap, that's for sure, but race...no.

If you do want to throw race into there, you'd have to consider the fact that there are so many handlers out there that go out of their way to supress the "urban" lifestyle/look in white fighters.

Take Dmitriy Salita for example. When he's at a press conference, he's surrounded by teriffic people and dressed in a suit and very well spoken and mannered. But the reality is that Salita trained/trains in some rough areas of brooklyn with 90% black fighters. He listens to rap and dresses in baggy jeans, loose shirts, and his cap tilted. And if you meet him on the street, don't be surprised if he spits some slang.

He doesn't walk out with guys like Joe Greene, Curtis Stevens, and Jaidon Codrington...people he is very close with. Hell, he doesn't even walk out with Pauli Malignaggi, and they're very close.

It's like what Joe Louis' handlers did, only today's handlers are trying to make white fighters more appealing to whites.

 

i dont know why arben has to justify himself here. he was telling it like it is.

so what if he called forrest's entourage a bunch of thugs?

 

Actually, Reed's right in regards to Forrest's crew. His entourage is the last I'd make assumptions about considering Forrest's character. Forrest has gone so far as to even have mentally disabled adults whose lives he helped walk him out to the ring. So assuming about Forrest's crew was wrong, but in 99.9999% of other cases, they're thugs, hooligans, and hangers on.

And like I said...black, white, hispanic, they're all the same.