Did the beef finally catch up to the Cotto's

i read this this morning and it makes some good points,so i post it here for discussion.

"Cotto's undoing came in training camp.....he and his trainer/uncle are having problems getting along with each other, on the HBO countdown show someone even said Miguel would train himself sometimes while his uncle just watched to make sure he was doing something.....sometimes they didn't even speak to each other while Miguel would work-out....thats not the type of relationship a world class fighter should have with his trainer....Cotto had Plan A last night....thats it!!! he used a plan B to get by Sugar Shane, but didn't have one for Antonio Margarito....I blame his team for not properly preparing Miguel for what was coming....Miguel got to this level by investing left hooks to the body, but last night he went head hunting and NEVER mounted a body attack....he was suppose to stay true to who Miguel Cotto is and not try to put on some type of Roy Jones or Floyd Jr. type display....Margarito won because he didn't change his stripes...Cotto the more talented fighter lost because he DID change his srtipes and that blame should fall on the shoulders of those in charge of preparing the fighter for combat...."

 

Nah...Cotto had a good fight plan..won the early rounds...but FORGOT to go to the body...

AND WHY THE FUCK did he always backup into the ROPES? While the fight was in the middle of the ring..Margarito was doing NOTHING...it wasn't until COtto walk into the ropes that Margarito started unleashing shit...


I need to watch the fight again...to see if Margarito was doing anything other than walking forward to make Cotto go on the ropes....his uncle kept telling him to keep the fight in the center of the ring...

 

He looked like he was a headhunter last night, when he got discouraged when he couldnt crack his chin plan B should have been the body but it never happened

 

though i agree COTTO completely forgot to go to the BODY early........but SO did MARGARITO..he didn't start going to the body hard till the mid rounds...

 

He didn't go to the body because he would've gotten his head taken off if he did. Score one for the numbnuts who say Margarito doesn't "use" his height advantage. WTF is he supposed to do, get on his tippy-toes? That height advantage along kept Cotto from diving in. In the first couple rounds Cotto dipped his head to midget status and fired combos to the ribcage. Few landed and Margrito's counters were whistling right above his head, Once he introduced the left uppercut, it was all over.

NO BS excuses, please. He got beat the f*ck up. Cotto boxed. WTF was supposed to be his plan B? War?

 

Cotto didnt go to the body, I couldnt understand why he was head hunting when his oppoinent has a world class chin. What made Cotto was his brilliant body attack, last night we didnt see it and it got him his first defeat. I'm more than sure if Cotto has mounted a strong body attack from round 1 he would have won the fight. But all he kept doing was head hunting. He fucked up.

 

in the end, it was kinda like hagler-hearns except it was longer. margarito took cotto's best shots but when he realized that he could walk him down, it was over right then and there.

 

What happened to the "Mexican-Killer" sig?????? :atu:

 

i dont know who else thought they were watching Rosario/Chavez al over again jeeesus

 

It will be back up when he fights his daddy Santos.:laughing: or his stepdad Williams

 

It was as much Margarito pressure as Cotto's stamina last night.....even in the last 3-4 round before the tko..in round 10 Cotto won it easily boxing/counter..but that was his final stand...round 11 begun and he went straight to the ropes..:warning:

 

:notallthere:Im waching it now Evangelista tells him Miguel Your fight is in the middle of the ring.
So he backs straight back in int the ropes Obviously the didnt see what happened to Cintron,Lewis and others when the sit on the ropes.

 

Okay..i'm not going to watch again for a while...Is Margarito doing ANYTHING to push Cotto into the ropes???? Cause from what I remember in the middle of the ring..>Margarito did fuck all....it wasn't till Cotto went tothe ropes..and put on his earmuffs that Margarito started doing something...

 

Actually he is using a jab but he just walking Cotto down like Jones did to Tito in the second half of the fight...Cotto is also doing the earmuffs and a shoulder roll type shyte.But Marg is digging some body shots and Cotto is not cause im watching it now,Cotto is slamming him with right/lefts but all upstairs Marg keeps smiling.

 

I think Cotto made several mistakes, including making no investment in the body whatsoever, and also not sitting down on his punches at any point in the fight. Cotto never gave Margarito reason to ease off. Sure he landed tons of shots on Margarito, almost everyone does, but they were mainly come in/score/get out type of flurries. Those are only good when you end up going to the scorecard.

Cotto's style is boxer/puncher, and when he switches to all boxer or all puncher he is not at his best. It's great when you need to adapt and win a few rounds by switching up, but it's not great when you spend 11 rounds like that. If Cotto ever rematches Margarito, he damn well better not plan to box 12 rounds, because it probably won't work. He needs to hurt Margarito, particularly to the body, and then he will be able to dictate better the style of the fight. That's the way Cotto has been getting the win throughout his career. He can't change that now.

As far as Margarito goes, he deserves all the credit for the win regardless of what Cotto did or didn't do. In the end, no matter what Cotto "should" have done, he still fought a very good fight and Margarito stopped him anyway. I think until (if ever) Cotto manages to come back and beat Tony, Margarito is the man at 147, period. And that includes Williams. I think if Margarito starts fast against Paul Williams, he probably KOs him, and surely beats him. In fact, I thought Margarito won the 1st Williams fight anyway.

 

Cotto did sit on a few shots but he never gave Marg that "hard" jab or a good body shot that made Marg think about it twice. He threw hard shots that Marg caught solid on the chin but as expected he would handle them.

 

What world do you guys live in? Do you want Cotto to die? You have to stand your ground to throw harder punches. Margarito would've killed him! And, for the record, Cotto landed plenty of very hard shots. Margarito just laughed at them.

And finally, just stop with this going to the body stuff. He's 5'6". Every time he went downstairs he exposed his noggin. Once he realized that Margarito's left was just as capable as his, he scrapped the idea.

 

dsimon writes:

Margarito just dwarfs Cotto. The size difference is huge. Cotto fought like he should but could not keep going when his punches were not having any effect what-so-ever. As far as his body attack, he never got to it in mass because he could not effect Margarito going to the head.

Yes Cotto was succesful int he middle of the ring but nobody could keep that up when the other guy comes in and is not tied up in some fashion. My only other comment is that Cotto needs to learn to tie a biger guy up when he gets loose. Cotto on any number of occasions could have been a lot more succesful grabbing Margarito instead of sitting on the ropes in the later rounds.

But frankly even if Cotto has won the fight by tying Margarito up Margarito showed that he is unaffected by Cotto's punches. Cotto needs to get stronger and bigger which he can do IMO.

 

There were instances where they could've tied up but Margarito would keep punching, even as they held each other. Bottom line, he was MUCH stronger than Cotto and wasn't going to be denied on the inside.

 

I agree Margarito is just to damn strong. Cotto has the talent to beat him but he couldnt keep it up for 12 rounds period. Cotto was gassed by the 6th round.

 

Cotto was the beef and he got slaughtered.

 

dsimon writes:

Yes. I mean if Cotto had won that fight tying Margarito up towards the end and simply outlasting him... your statement above would still be absolutely true. I truly find it a mystery, and I say this with no irony, how auschwitz like Cotto looked at the weigh in compared to the relative size Margarito carries.

Cotto's punches had no effect on Margarito bottom line.

 

Cotto was behind on the cards. He probably would've lost if it went 12.

 

The fact is, Daniel Santos hurt Margarito and Cotto couldnt.

 

I don't know if the beef hurt Cotto. If he were having sex with woman like a real man, I am sure his stamina would have faded. Stop being homophobic, the man likes his beef, so what? His lifestyle has nothing to do with this fight.

 

:boohoo: LMAO at the excuses in this thread.

Cotto didn't go to the body cause Margarito had those elbows tucked in and left his face wide open. Margarito's face is simply an easy target and that's why Cotto went up there the whole night - fortunately for Margarito, he has a GODLY chin.

Every time Cotto would dip to throw body shots, he would get 2-3 uppercuts thrown in his face. Hard JAB? LOL Cotto would throw SHARP 4-5 punch combos that never fazed Margarito, yet a hard jab is supposed to?

Get real here. Let's face it Margarito was able to set the pace of the fight and Cotto simply couldn't keep up. Cotto is used to being that stalker and aggressor and when Margarito turned it around on him, he folded.

 

Margarito covers well to the body. That's why Cotto went to the face instead.

 

I dont think beef has caught up with the Cotto fam, thats been there for a while now even prior to the Gomez fight among other victories.

Marge's pressure/power caught up with Joto. The excuses are :shit:


This was a performance the late Mando Ramos would have been proud of

 

Yes, Margarito won fare and square, but you gotta admit, that Cotto should have landed the appropriate punches and knocked him out.

 

Yes indeed :bears:
I am surprised Joto didn't land the uppercut to the balls to buy time.