Cotto's fradulent reign is over!!

Agreed with Holler who rightly notes that Cotto has gone from overrated to underrated in the space of a few hours.

The WW division is a loaded and bizarre one, of that then can be no doubt. And for those who believe that styles make fights, you can have no better example.

Williams beats Margarito
Quintana beats Williams
Cotto beats Quintana
Margarito beats Cotto

(Floyd beat none of these and fought an old man and a light welter and then retired... :: :shit:)

Cotto has never been a 'fraud'. He is a very good fighter. He just doesn't have the tools to beat Margarito, whose style is made to measure for Miguel, it seems...

Lets not overreact and start talking shit.

MTF

 

Don't like evidence? You of all people should know. I have been blasting Cotto for years. As for not making it public, I haven't felt the desire to post until Cotto lost. Now, bOXING CAN begin to heal after the great Cotto lie was forever destroyed.

 

Wrong. He is a fraud. He was never a future dominant champion or all time great which is what HBO and the East Coast media would like us to believe. I fought from the beginning. IMO, the fucking guy still hasn't fought a truly good fighter that was in his prime. It is a fucking shame PBF retired. Cotto would not win a fucking second and you would see what a true "put up job" he always was. Williams would beat him with ease as well. This so called great fighter is not even in the top 2 in hisown division.

 

Well you blast every fighter...so we can't go by that...you're Rubio like...without the gay videos/an pics to show your true self..

 

No one is talking about what HBO have or have not said- as a Brit I am pleased to say that I have no fucking idea what those tools have said beyond what I see repeated here.

To call him a fraud is fucking dumb. He was a legitimate champion who lost a single fight to another champion. Even in doing so, he made Toni look dumb for half the fight before his obvious weakness (his requirement to take rests) caught up with him and he started getting hit by a monster of a Welter who comes forward and forward and forward in a way few others can.

Cotto would beat Williams IMHO. Styles make fights. Marg had the style to beat Cotto. Williams doesn't.

MTF

 

:atu:::

 

Nonsese. I said Joe Calzaghe was agreat fighter 4 years before he beat Lacy, Kessler thenHopkins. I said he would beat Hopkins 5 years ago.

I said Winky Wright was a great fighter. I said he would beat Mosley and Tito years before he did. Years.


Therefore, I just gave you 2 examples of fighters I don't bash. Your counter point is nullified. I have always said Cotto would get exposed and I could have been more right. Margarito is not a great fighter and he damn near killed him.

I had a hypothesis.
(ie Cotto was an HBO/East Coast hype job)
A prediction
(Cotto quits in 10 or 11)
A test
(the fight)
A result

(Cotto quits in 11)

QUOD ERA DEMONSTRATUM

SCIENCE Baby, science.

 

okay....what makes WINKY great???? YOU had said a few times already that Mosley wasn't very good..just a speedy retard slugger...and Tito was a FRAUD....and he lose to a novice(your words) FERNANDO VARGAS....so what makes WINKY great??



and about COTTO...if you fight the best like Cotto, Margarito, WIlliams, MOsley have been doing EVENTUALLY YOU WILL LOSE.....LOSE...

KOSTYA TSZYU.....LOSE got destroyed by PHILLIPS..yet he came back....so Don't be tooooo sure that you have rid yourself of MIGUEL COTTO just yet....

 

Did I miss something??? :dunno:

 

I would've used the clapping emoticon but for some reason it wasn't there. I agree with the quote, the point and laugh was for Mayweather

 

Cotto hasn't fought the best. All you idiots were playing yourself and I am here to bash this point home. Win or lose, Cotto has still not fought a great fighter. He was moved expertly, slowly and with genius. Cotto did not lose to the best. He lost to Margarito:atu::atu:He not only lost. He quit just like I said he would. Cotto isn't coming back anywhere except on his boyfriend's lubbed up anus. Later Joto!! BYE BYE.

Winky is better than DLH, tito AND mOSELY. hE BEAT TITO AND MOSLEY LIKE THEY WERE DISOBIDIENT WOMAN. Ok, you win Winky sucks. He beat your fraud hero like he was a 5 year old boy with cancer. You must be the captain of the Puerto Rican debate team.

 

When in your opinion EVERYBODY sucks, other than the 2 or 3 guys you like...then FIGHTING and BEATING the best can be a bit difficult....SO LET be real EVEN if COTTO had DEFEATED Margarito...he would still be a fraud waiting to be exposed...:notallthere:....but SINCE IYO there isn't any great fighters around....cotto can never prove himself...right...

I never said Winky sucks...he is a good to great fighter just like Trinidad, Mosley and DLH...

but you call WINKY great...base on?? Beating small slugger Mosley and overhype Trinidad?...

 

Ahhh, that alright then...

...:: :bears:

MTF

 

Bad day even for you. Cotto had around him Hatton and PBF. Hatton was at one time a legitimate A list fighter at 140. I think Cotto would have killed him. He just didn't have the guts to try. If he fought PBF, he could have tried to prove it. I know it is debateable that KT was a great fighter. I think he was but it was debateable. Even Hatton who was "protected" fought him. Cotto fought some Italian dude.

 

The fuck he would have.

Hatton at his best would have drained the strength out of Cotto, so long as it was at 140. He would have done EXACTLY what Margarito did- exactly the same way and with exactly the same result.

That is not to say that Hatton would have won at 147. He would not have.

MTF

 

So you believe Winky is great because he beat two people on your very overrated list. And not even at their natural weights or in their prime.

Hmm...

 

yup...

 

so the fashion in which he dominated shouldnt be taken in consideration? did he just beat them, or did he totally dominate every second of the fights

 

What are you saying? So he dominated two very overrated fighters (according to FreeIke) yet Winky is a great fighter (according to FreeIke). Just trying to make sense of his logic.

 

free ike says they are overrated, but how does he rank them, any level fighter can be considered overrated

 

wright also took that 0 from vargas, and should have been middleweight champ.

 

Cotto is a front runner

they need to put him back against guys where he can control the fight

 

fuck! you guys dismiss a fighter after one loss? fucking idiots!

Cotto is still an elite welterweight. Style makes fights, and margarito had the tools to beat him. According to many of you, there's no true elite fighter nowadays. Fuck all you :flip:

 

dsimon writes:

:bears:

Cotto fought superbly BTW. He simply was not physically strong enough. His punches had no effect what so ever and he was dwarfed. don't understand it and Margarito deserves all the credit in the world.

 

Checkmate. He is a full class above those good fighters an entire class. Heard you reproduced Massa. Congrats old friend.

 

My logic is Wright was a full level above them. He dominated them and with ease. Additionally, Wright beat A prime Vargas and easily dominated Jermain Taylor. Overrated does not mean bad. However, Winky is a whole level above these guys another class and that goes for DLH too as far as I am concerned. Winky would tap the golden ass with ease.

 

dsimon writes:

the 20 20 hindsight combining with the braying of the idiots makes for a technicolored experience.

Having said that I have to say that a few of FreIke's points combined with Neil make some sense.... with the provisio that calling Cotto overrated is hyperbole.

a) Winky is a great, as Neil said he took Vargus' 0.

b) We don't know where this fight leaves Cotto. He fought very well and we now know that Margarito is one of the elites right now. If Margarito were to beat Williams in a rematch and go on and dominate maybe Cotto lost to a great fighter who fights ugly.

c) I can't help but see a lot of parallels in Cotto to Vargas. Cotto is at that crossroads... this was his Trinidad fight. Vargas folded, Cotto can bulk up realize he fought well for most of this fight and try for a rematch, decide he got beat up and never figt the same, or avoid the bigger Welters.... Time will tell.

Ike you, nor anyone else knows shit about Cotto right now and time will tell. IMO Cotto is right where Nando was and we have to see how he reacts to this develpment.

Greatness can come with a few losses!

Good to have you back Ike. Andyeah you never liked Cotto but one loss a fraud one does not make!

 

Sorry, buddy. A great fighter in his prime does not lose to Margarito. I am a fan of his, always was. I am not a fanboy. Margarito is about as talentless as a world class athlete can be and he dominated and fucked Cotto up. Margarito is what he is. Cotto was a fraud and he was exposed. Period.

 

dsimon writes:

Margarito fights ugly but is very skilled. He has been professional since 16. There is no indication right now about how good Margarito is Ike and you know it. His fight with Williams was close.... competative and he could easily win a rematch. He has not fought Floyd through no fault of his own.

His style is ugly but apparently effective. To see how good Cotto and Margarito are we have to see what happens subsequent.

I learned that Margarito is better than I thought he was. Thats all I know at this point. Edit: Lookat it this way have you seen anyone dominate Margarito because of his looping punches? No. So you are assuming because of the way he looks that he is not skilled... that is an assumption bro, pure and simple.

 

so was Marg/Clottey. He could have lost that too. Margarito is good against flat footed guys. A guylike Spinks would shut Margo out. PBF would win rather easily as well. I don't count first 3 losses or the one to Santos. He just hasn't fought anyone really good. I guess he still hasn't, .