Katsidis will play Margarito to Diaz's Cotto

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  1. Xplosive

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    Yup! You heard me! How Cotto-Marg unfolded will be similar to how Katsidis-Diaz plays out next month. Diaz, like Cotto, will try to box because it'll be too dangerous to brawl with Kat early. Kat will get stunned, maybe dropped and cut, but will eventually walk Diaz down with his non-stop pressure, and power punching, and Diaz will fold!
     
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    Really? I love Katsidis, but I kinda see it happening the other way around. Regardless, should be a GREAT fight.
     
  3. Mitchell Kane

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    Not quite a direct comparison, as Kats doesn't have the overwhelming size and granite chin, and Diaz is the volume puncher in this match-up.

    We'll see how it plays out. Should be interesting to see how they come back after their losses.

    It might be the best fight the rest of the year.
     
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    REED Can See how the 2 R ANALOGOUS...

    ULTIMATELY, Diaz WON'T have the POP to Keep Katsidis OFF of him & He'll Get Battered, Bloodied & STOPPED Late...

    Katsidis' Chin ISN'T Close to Margarita's Level, but Diaz's Power ISN'T Close to Cotto's Either...Kat's Chin is Good Enough to w/Stand the Volume SLAPS of Diaz...

    But REED Isn't Soooo CERTAIN that Juan's VOLUME will Hold Up N this Fight...If Nate Campbell could DISCOURAGE Juan from Firing as OFTEN as he Likes, REED Thinks Kat can To...

    Diaz WILL Stand Toe to Toe & EXCHANGE w/Kat Faaaaaaaaaar More than Cotto was Willing to w/Margarita, but it's NOT Gonna Help his Cause...

    This will Probably B THE "Action Fight" of 2008...



    REED:hammert:
     
  5. His_Royness

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    You clowns should put some money on since Katsidis is a +300 underdog in that fight.

    Oh yeah and u will lose.
     
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    I did not know this, easy money really. This is going to be a brutal one sided thrashing. Where do you get those odds?
     
  7. Neil

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    katsidis is getting beat down and stopped.
     
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    Katsidis will stop Diaz late in a thriller.

    Katsidis has GLARING defensive deficiencies, but Diaz doesn't have anything like enough power to take advantage of them, though he will score success and might quite conceivably drop Michael at least once.

    However, Katsidis is an offensive BEAST, and if Diaz tries to trade with him, which there is absolutely no reason to suspect that he won't, Juan will find himself being hit harder than he has ever been hit in his life. IMHO Katsidis is a definite P4P in terms of punching power, and if you allow a guy with that kind of power hit you, as Diaz will, then you run a high risk of being KTFO.

    And if Katsidis really is +300, I shall be having a considerable dabble.

    MTF
     
  9. ElTerriblee

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    AGREED. Early Katsidis will be hit hard, often and clearly like Margarito. And after five rounds Katsidis will be bloodied, discouraged and KTFO like Cotto. Really very similar. :cheer:
     
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    He will? I thought he was fighting the aggressive but UTTERLY featherfisted Juan Diaz?

    He will? When has Katsidis ever been discouraged?

    Even after Casa dropped him twice in the first round, Katsidis was in no way discouraged; he came forward throwing bombs, near folding Casa in half with a body shot and going ahead on the cards.

    After Graham Earl dropped him, he got up and proceeded to bounce Earl around the ring like a basketball, stopping him in short order.

    He may be limitred defensively, but the only way to discourage Katsidis is to KHTFO. And Diaz don't have enough pop to do it...

    MTF
     
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    Don´t hang me on a semantics tree. :rolleyes:

    Diaz will stop Katsidis. Katsidis is a glorified Gatti wannabe, but he doesn´t have Gatti´s chin or power, just his skillls.
     
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    'Semantics tree'? :lol:

    As I said, Katsidis is limited defensively, but he has bagfuls of power. He punches like a mule.

    And he's only fighting Juan Diaz, FFS. Diaz is nothing special either, as Nate Campbell proved.

    Katsidis will punch a hole through Juan Diaz. Mark my words...

    MTF
     
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    I don't know man. Kastidis a poor man's Gatti. He is skilless and chinny. I don't get the hate for Diaz. I hate HBO's college man approach, but he is a solid little pug. Will see what Campbell took out of him, but MK is a scrub. I guess, that is MK's chance though. Diaz took a fucking beating from Campbell. You have always hated this cat anyway, explosive.
     
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    like everywhere...


    bet365 has even +333 now - looks like people are betting Diaz.


    And mtf for fuck's sake. He got dropped by fucking Graham Earl and needed 5 rounds... If that guy hits like a mule what does Amir Khan do then???


    You are overrating the guys power that it isn't even funny. I'd say nate Campell hits harder and Diaz will take everything and win a decision or win on cuts. Hell he could even just KHTFO Katsis chin is HORRIBLE!
     
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    A poor man's Gatti? :lol:

    What has Diaz done to get so highly rated? He caught Freitas while he was on his retirement tour and stopped the frankly average Julio Diaz, but apart from that?

    Ok, Katsidis has no names on his CV either, but the guy is an offensive beast and tough as nails, and is improving with each fight. He was ahead on the cards against Casamayor until he got stupid and careless and paid the price. He will definitely be back stronger and smarter after that loss, can the same be said for Diaz? And since when is Campbell a great fighter? He beat Diaz, woohoo. One good win for his career then. The guy got KO'd be Peden twice :lol:.

    Seriously these American HBO puppies abilities are exaggerated beyond belief. Anyone who comes forward throwing soft winging punches against Katsidis is going to get smashed.

    If Diaz makes it to Round 3 he will be shaking like a leaf and crying like a 5 year old girl.

    This fight is a mismatch.
     
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    The Khan/Earl stoppage was ridiculously premature. Earl was on his feet, head clear and Khan was just winging at him when the referee stepped in. Katsidis, on the other hand, put him down HARD about five times.

    Although, taking a full five rounds to knock someone spark out obviously shows a deficiency in attack. :dunno:

    I don't doubt that he (Katsidis) has defensive flaws. Of course he has. But Diaz does not have enough power to exploit them. No way in hell. Even Diaz's biggest fans, pre-Campbell, would admit that Diaz is a relatively light puncher at elite level.

    And no way, no way in a trillion years, does Nate Campbell hit harder than Michael Katsidis.

    MTF
     
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    Couldn't have put it better myself...

    :bears:

    MTF
     
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    This has nothing to do with 'hate for Diaz'- he is an effective, tough little fighter with good skills and a high workrate.

    He just can't punch worth shit, whereas Katsidis can, and if you come at Katsidis so that he can hit you, generally, you get hurt.

    A + B = Diaz gets brutalized.

    MTF
     
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    Diaz will beat him easily. :fightme:
     
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    All we need is for LOK to come in and predict that Katsanus will rape him and it's in the bag. :pray:
     
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    And for what its worth, these are the best odds for a fight i have seen in a very long time.

    I expected Diaz to start a slight favourite but this is crazy.

    Load up and reap the rewards.
     
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    Katsidis is like John Duddy without a chin, and both are about as Irish as they are Greek.
     
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    Frankly, it was a compliment. MK is far less accomplished then Gatti. He is a chinny scrub. I don't think Diaz is the greatest thing either but Katsidis is a C level fighter. I don't know what Diaz is. I like watching him fight.He has surely beaten better people than that Chinny bum from down under. Caspeor looked like Tommy Hearns when they fought. My feeling is Diaz should win.
     
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    Corey Spinks would've looked like tommy with the punch casa landed.

    Whoever came up with this metaphor should be manhandled. Katsidis is gatti-esque, at least Juan has shown some measure of skill in how he attacks. I expect Diaz' pillow hands to be too much for katsidis, and he will either lose a wide decision or be stopped from the beating he will take.
     
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    We shall see. I can't tell if you're serious or not, but if you are you are really under-rating him.

    Katsidis will be the #1 guy at lightweight within 2 years. Take it to the bank.
     
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    Well, I don't know what to think of DIAZ. If MK wins, I would be surprised, but bigger surprises have happen.

    MK is a bum though. He is terrible. Fuck the punch that put him out, Casapeor dropped him 2 times before that. Honestly, as poorly as Diaz punches. I think he could hurt that bum Katsidis. I laughed my ass of when Tam was talking shit before the fight that Katsidis was going to shock the world. Btw, I hate Casapeor and I think he is one of the most overrated fighter in history. He damn near killed Katsidis. Admittedly, I have only seen him twice so I am not comfortable making a bold prediction. Based on that small sample size, I would bet on Diaz. Too me , Katsidis is pretty piss poor. I hope I am clear.

    And if Katsidis is the 1 or 2 guy at 135 in the near future, it means all men in the world at that size were struck dead. I will go ahead and say fuck no right now. You can have cash on that; don't even take it to a bank.
     
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    Diaz got better technique than katsidis.
     
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    diaz has beaten a few guys already who are better than katsidis. who has katsidis ever defeated?

    sim would knock katsidis out
     
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    Graham Earle can fight.
     
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    I'm taking Diaz on this one. Diaz will play the role of Margarito stalking and landing combinations - feather fisted or not, those punches will accumulate on Katsidis' "D". Diaz will be there to be hit, but he will always respond with a flurry and despite Diaz's lack of punching power, those blows will land and score. Also by fighting on the inside, Diaz will smother Katsidis' power punches.

    Like Cotto, Katsidis starts strong early but is eventually worn out by an accumulation of punches and Diaz's constant pressure and workrate.
     

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