Who was the bigger fraud?

It's Best to IGNORE this Cat when he Posts N the General Forum...He's CLEARLY OUT of his League Over Here...

That Over the Top, SHOCK VALUE, SHITS & GIGGLES Style of Posting LACKS Credibility when there's ZERO MERIT behind what U Type...

This SAME Poster Calls Ali & Ray Leonard "Frauds"...He's Called them "The 2 Most BORING Fighters EVER", yet he's a SELF ADMITTED Fan of Chris Byrd, Winky Wright & Vernon Forrest::...That Pretty Much SEALED it for REED...He's a COURT JESTER...A TROLL...

FreeIke = Rubio w/about 1/10th of Rubio's Actual KNOWLEDGE about Boxing...


REED:mj:

 

neither were frauds. Both were world class fighters for fuck sake, both will probably end up in the HOF. But Tito was more overrated.

 

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Absolutely. Some people really need to sort themselves out sometimes...

 

Between the 2, I'd say Cotto is the bigger fraud, and Tito is the bigger cheater.

 

The guy(ike) saying Cotto and Trinidad were Frauds because they fought past their prime fighters....or smaller fighters....yet that same poster(ike) calls WINY WRIGHT and Calzaghe GREAT..when WINKY's biggest/greatest wins have come against guys PAST THEIR PRIME and/or a few division above their best weight....MOSLEY, TRINIDAD, QUARTEY.....and the only GREAT fighter Calzaghe fought was Hopkins...not exactly in his prime Hopkins...

Cotto is not great..but he is very, very good...but Ike is blinded by hate...


and a fraud because of one lose??? I guess Winky Wright was a fraud when he lose to Julio Cesar Vasquez...then to Simon..and then to a young PROSPECT FERNANDO VARGAS....

 

FreeDyke with another biased hate thread. Same hate that will fill him with germs in his filthy mouth *I know he loves germs*

 

Ike reminds me of Rubio...before the expose...

 

Both fighters are warriors. Tito is an all-time great and a 3 division champ. That's a first ballot HOFer. Hell if being a fraud is Tito I bet 90% boxers would love to have been that type of fraud. As far as Cotto. He's a good fighter. Not on Tito's level but then again that's hard act to follow. However a 2 division champ with only 1 defeat so far. Not bad for a fraud either. I bet a gang of fighters would love to change places. So to answer the question neither fighters are frauds but if I had to choose the better fighter it's Tito. I'll Holla 5000

 

What I find fascinating, is the amount of work the team put in to organise speaking in sync with each others versions in a matter of factly manner, as if they'd actually witnessed an event together, but apparently they spontaneously just made it all up in the midst of Hopkins and his team's career defining celebrations?. I cant figure out any particular motive for this additional effort having just achieved thier ultimate objective in a victory of this stature while concurrently in a state of adulation, but Hopkins wanted 'in' aswell, he took time-out from celebrating, just to hither with his squad and get this fairytale organised for the media to report, all for the sake of spreading rumours?

 

I will check them out. Thank you.

 

What does that make your level of knowledge. I predicted Cotto would quit in 10 or 11. You predicted that we would see how unelite Margarito is. Again, you calling into question my knowledge is based solely on my position against Roy Jones and a misrepresentation of my position at that.

Can you name a single expert, poster anyone who predicted the rise of more fighters than I have against the overwhelming majority.

I said Winky Wright was an elite fighter when everybody said I knew nothing. I was wrong. I told everyone that he was elite. He has beaten Vargas(in reality)Ike Quartey(no one dominated Ike like that ever) Jermain Taylor, Felix Trindad, Shane Mosley and was competetive with a much, much larger B-Hop.Again, I was saying this when everyone was saying he was a bum. Ironically, the only other person who agreed with me was Roy himself.

While you were waiving the flag and calling Calzaghe a euro bum I was telling everyone he was a great fighter. He has since beaten B-Hop, Kessler, and Jeff Lacy. Something fightbeat's Corkey Reed said was never possible.

I don't think I am ignorant in boxing at all. I think the problem is how I word things. I don't use subtlties and if I can use a more outrageous term; I will use it. It isn't the content; it is how I put it.

You on the other hand are no different than Lampley, Kellerman, or any other shill who just repeats what the majority is saying. I mean, half of you post were a rather deranged unofficial offer to have an "unnatural and alternative" relationship wit Roy Jones. Honestly, I have forgotten more about boxing than you could ever know. I forgettenmore about math than you will ever know or English,or HISTORY OR ANY SUBJECT. However, I will concede your expertise in the wonderful world of trannys. I could not have started a web site and loaded it with pictures as you did.

 

Read them both and I have to agree. Way too much hearsay in Kim's article. These guys were supposedly warned before their fights and yet neither of their representatives saw anything wrong.

Can't rule against Trinidad based on that.

 

Well, once Hopkins blew the whistle Trindad's power went way down. It is circumstantial but obviously something happened to Tito's vaunted power. Look what he did to Joppy. Seriously, that wasn't natural. Joppy has moved up and fought bigger/stronger heavier hitters and never looked as fucked up.

 

Agreed Free, I just want to know why, given the circumstances of Hopkins career best victory and his proudest moment after thoroughly raping and humiliating Trinidad in the ring, that he and his camp would get together in the midst of endless parades of celebration, to just make aaaaalllll this shit up?, and in very little time aswell according to the date on the Steve Kim article, which apparently wasn't even the original source,..and this is just before accounting the abnormal ways in which Vargas, Reid and Joppy reacted to his left as you know, and thier stories associated with the scandal.

 

You mean when Mayorga put his chin on a platter? ::

Trinidad killed him to the body.

 

Neither is a fraud, but Cotto's reign was slightly more manufactured. He's appeared fragile in so many fights leading up to last weekend... Tito, lead-packed handwraps or not, looked to be a lethal menace up until Hopkins stopped him in his tracks.

 

The Level of CLOWING you're Receiving (N YOUR OWN Thread) is Revealing Enough, Ike...

If U Had SHACKLES Around your Neck & Feet & a BRAND on your Ass, U COULDN'T B Anymore OWNED that U Already R...REED STOPPED Counting After the 12th or 13th Time Somebody Called U on your Idiotic Premise...

It's VERY EASY to FINALLY Return to a Site & CLAIM U "Called it", when NOBODY Except your Right TESTICLE (aka Jaws) can CONFIRM It...Since Jaws DOESN'T Hesitate N Bragging on your "Andy Garcia Looks", WHY Wouldn't he LIE for U???...REED Seriously DOUBTS that U "Called" the Fight as ACCURATELY as U're Saying...NOBODY @ Fightbeat Falls 4 that HINDSIGHT BULLSHIT, so SPARE Us...

The FACT is, U R a Boxing IDIOT who Allows CONTEMPT to FUEL his Opinions...@ GUNPOINT, U COULDN'T Objectively Assess a Matchup...U Call Guys "Frauds" for a Fucking DECADE, then Thump your Chest when they FINALLY Lose...That's the Epitome of WEAK...U're like an OUTDATED Calendar...If U Keep the Shit Loooooooong Enough, it'll EVENTUALLY B Right Again...

When U REALLY Want to Start Tooting your Own Horn, Try WRITING PRE-Fight ARTICLES where U Accurately PREDICT the Outcome...REED's Done that SEVERAL Times, Down to the EXACTfuckingROUND (Pavlik-Taylor I, Mayweather-Hatton & Other Fights)...Instead of Alledgedly PM'ing a Nuthugging Poster, REED Wrote ARTICLES for the MASSES to See...Even your Right TESTICLE can VERIFY this...

REED puts HIMSELF Out there on a Limb....By Comparison, U're Straddling the LOWER End of the Tree Trunk...

Funny how U GLOSS Over Winky's MISSTEPS...Like the Time he was BOUNCED off the Canvas 27 Times...Or when Harry Simon BEAT him...Like it or Not, Vargas BEAT him...Like it or Not, the Taylor Fight was a DRAW...Speaking of Vargas, REED would Argue that HE Beat Quartey MORE Convincingly than Winky Did...

We'll See how "Great" U Think Calzaghe is, AFTER Roy Jones SHOCKS the World...Nope, REED DIDN'T Stutter Either, Motherfucker...

Since we 1st Cross Paths, REED has been DESTROYING U N Boxing Debates (Remember the Clay-Doug Jones Debate that U BACKPEDALED on??), Smacktalk (How's your Mother doing??), U Name it...N ANY Realm of Posting, REED is YOUR Superior...Even your CIRCLE JERKING HOcal Clique is Realizing this, Upon your MEEK Ass Return...

Again, Welcome Back...REED Looks Forward to EMBARRASSING U Again Sooooon....
REED:bears:

 

i'll cut REED some slacks since he wasn't alone in thinking that margarito was some ordinary guy.

otherwise i don't disagree too much w/ his boxing analysis.

oh, and free ike isn't the only guy who thought highly of winky and calzaghe prior to their career defining wins.

there were a handful of folks (including myself) who picked winky to beat mosley and tito and same w/ calzaghe over lacy and kessler.

 

WOW!! :bears:

 

say no more.

 

Somebody just got knocked the fuck out! I'll Holla 5000

 

How come this site lets trolls and attention whores become mods?

 

Winky,Hopkins,Hagler,Sanchez...pretty much every fighter in history has lose a fight at the start or middle of their careers and still came back to be all time great.....or very good(Cotto might be at the end of his career).

So Cotto might not be Trinidad/Gomez/Benitez in all time status..but maybe more like DeJesus,Rosario, DeLeon...

Cotto look 2 me mentally strong..he will be back...he could end up beating Clottey, Williams, Berto....rematching Margarito..winning/or losing...but still be a FRAUD to some people...

 

Cotto beats everyone at welterweight not named Margarito. Not only will he come back, he will be a champion again at some point.

 

All my bitches lined up.

Ask winner by choke, Reed. See how quickly I can own you.

 

Wrong. You are friend's with winner by choke. Ask him who I predicted. Does he have balls? Once again, your child like brain is reduced to childlike insults. Winner by choke already has confirmed my pic and I am sure he will tell you. Ask him.

stop insulting. You are saying I didn't call it. Winner by choke is someone we both respect. He will be the judge. How many times must I beat you down. Lol, I destroyed you on the clay/jones. You quit boxingtime to get out of it. I made a joke of you for a year and you think my feelings are hurt

Again, how would you saying you "f'd my dead mother" hurt me when she isn't dead. I am calling you out. Stop the 10 page nonsense. If winner by choke says I didn''t make the prediction; I will go along with it. This will be my 100th ownership of you. I will pm him now.

Btw, I smacked you so bad in smacktalk you still haven't responded.

 

dsimon writes:

Often Free Ike's message gets lost in the medium:: yet there are elements of truth in that message. Having said that I think Tito and Cotto are legit. Hard to say who is better, Cotto might still be getting better. As of right now Tito holds a bit more water, but I would like to diplomatically dovetail on one of Free IKe's points that haunts me a bit:


Both Nando and Cotto were brought along a bit soft to some people's minds. Though it smacks of hindsight this critiscism is not without merit. It bugs me because I like a fighter taking their time and not getting into a Tito-Nando Margarito-Cotto battle Royal before they are ready. Yet Cotto was not ready physically for this fight. I noticed it when he was dwarfed in the weigh in and I wonder if he had been put against a few more guys like Torres, if it would have made a difference. Maybe he would have been exposed, but it would have been telling. It was much the same with Nando BTW.