I don't give a fuck about who would win at this point, we all know the answer to that. I also could care less what people think about some mythical matchup between the two at their respective peaks. my question is simple:: did delahoya ever have a single victory in his career as impressive/meaningful as margarito's stoppage of cotto? if so which one? because I don't think so.
To me, Hoya's biggest win was against Quartey. They were both about the same size, and Ike was in his prime. That's the most meaningful, even though is was somewhat of a controversial win, I had Hoya edging the fight by 2 points after the late knockdown.
you failed to answer the question. was his victory over quartey more impressive/meaningful than margarito's win over cotto? personally I had quartey clearly winning so its not even debatable for me.
The answer is more than likely No. Cotto was suppose to be the man and no body really gave Margarito a chance... Was Dela ever in the same position as Margarito ??
I'm not taking into account the position margarito was in, or whether he was given a chance. it is a strict comparison between cotto, how he was defeated and each individual opponent delahoya defeated during his career.
Well then are you taking the view that Dela fought certain guys at the right time talking some of the glory from the victories ? If that is the case you could same the same about Cottos CV.
actually I'm saying I don't think delahoya had a single impressive (decisive) victory over any opponent as good as cotto.
I disagree that Quartey was substantially superior to Cotto, and De la Hoya lost to Trinidad...its debatable but nonetheless an L on his record
Sorry salaco. I deleted the post you just responded to. You are absolutely right about Trinidad of course. I do think that Quartey would have beaten (probably stopped) Cotto, though.
de la hoya was never that great. and no, he's never had one impressive win that matches margarito's win over cotto.
not true. mayweather shut down all of his opponents with an exception of oscar and castillo. he impressively stopped corrales and hatton and beat castillo desicively in the rematch. and unlike oscar, he never came close to losing or struggling against guys who were smaller than him.
not sure how anyone could be as impressed by what delahoya did against quartey as what margarito did to cotto. keep in mind cotto was at the top of his game, fighting regularly, and not struggling to make welterweight.
:nono: Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,.. Joony please,..'Impressive' is the word, and there's nothing impressive about running the clock out of each round out, scoring should always be against runners, I certainly don't associate running with 'shutting an opponent down', and that's precisely what Fraud did after being defeated the first time by Castillo, and despite the kind of disgraceful, hyperventilative running we were sorry to witness, the fight wasn't even 'clear' ....it was actually rather close, so surely, Castillo is a name that should be steered away from Mayweather on the subject of 'impressive wins'. -------------Beating Corrales is a feit several share, he's hopelessly glass-chinned, and not a great fighter, infact, he's Casamajors bitch, beating him is obviously nowhere near the achievement of what crushing Miguel Cotto is at welterweight,.. and as far as Hatton's concerned, you are well aware that he's nothing as a welterweight, a non factor, insignificant, he's too small, smaller than Fraud, infact one could say Fraud had a De La Hoya of a time with Hatton,.. so no, it's got nothing on Margarito making Miguel Cotto quit at all, even if Margarito is also guilty of being the bigger man in his fight. I'd put it this way Joon, Miguel Cotto simply defeats every single opponent on Fraud's resume, on Cotto's resume, Shane Mosely defeats every single opponent on Fraud's resume too,...also on Margarito's resume is Joshua Clottey, I have a sneaking suspicion he is the third best welterweight in the world, he too, also beats every opponent on Fraud's resume. Margarito's got him,.. unless ofcourse,..Fraud wants to come out of retirement and prove otherwise?... ::
Well Dympeople if memory serves me correctly, there was no KO in this fight what so ever, so one must look at the official scorecards to see who won,.. and on those those scorecards,.. we see a clear points victory to one Joshua Clottey,...? :dunno:...
Well, Kauki, if memory serves me right, there was no need to go to official scorecards to see who won :dunno: Also, if memory serves me right, Carlos "Tata" Baldomir has a victory over one Joshua Clottey :dunno:
A victory meaning either a KO, or a win on points I'm afraid Dympeople, that's how one fighter beats another, that's the reality of boxing,.. since there was no ko, we simply have to look at the points tally, this will clarify to us beyond any doubt, who won the fight, .....remember now, more points, more case for a victory, - that's how it works in boxing Dympeople, it's sad but true, I'd like Baldomir to win a fight over a quality opponent as much as the next man, but if you dont have any power to knock people out, or any skills to score points or any worthy attribute what so ever, the best you could hope for is for some incompetant European referee to disqualify your opponent over a meager infringement, but hopefully that never happens, and the more superior fighter walks away the victor.
Cotto is probably better than anyone DLH or PBF clearly beat, without controversy. I thought DLH beat Trinidad, though not as wide as many others had it. Obviously, PBF and DLH's career achievements are far ahead of Margarito's. Quartey won that fight. A great finish isn't enough to make up for the other rounds when DLH stood and stared at Quartey and ate jabs and the occassional right hand (not that Quartey landed a lot of jabs and rights, but enough to win at least 7 rounds).
I'm afraid not, my dear friend, I'm afraid not..... KO or a points advantage is not at all always a sign of victory. Let me give you an example, you perhaps might understand. There's this cowardly fighter from Bramberkistan, Muhammad Abdullaev. You might have heard of him. He once fought one Miguel Cotto. There was no KO, and the fight didn't go to scorecards, yet one Miguel Cotto was declared a winner. Can you take a guess as to why it happened? Or perhaps another example to refresh your memory, my dear Kauki. There was this one cowardly fighter, Kostya Pus. Pus fought one Ricky Hatton, and once again, there was no KO and the fight didn't go to scorecards, yet Pus lost the fight. Can you take a guess as to why it happened? So, as you can see these are just few examples where the fight didn't go to scorecard and there was no KO, yet one fighter was declared a winner. if you wish, I can provide another example, but the point is, and will always remain, the same: One Carlos "Caca" Baldomir has defeated one Joshua "The terror of Margarita" Clottey.
I'm afraid pulling a Mohammed A.... li?, was that Mohammed Ali?.. yes it must of been since I heard him screaming for his fight to be stopped against Sonny "Quitter" Liston, in a most cowardly affair, where the quit was up for grabs,....strangely, that fight is idolized in American folklore,.. but to the point Dympeople, quitting is filed under "TKO" short for 'KO', and thus there was no KO of any kind,.. and the scorecards reflected Clottey's superiority,.. the sum is straightforward, No ko + More points = victory, you've gotta love Carlos though, he merited Floyd Mayweather fighter of the year honours for 2006, imagine what Floyd could have achieved if he took on Clottey, well actually,..why not Clottey's father/Baldomir's grandfather,...Antonio Margarito?...that sounds good,..I'd like to see that fight.
Kauki, why are you side-stepping the question of Zoo and Abdulaev quitting like bitches? As to the points you raise.....why was Holyfield declared winner of 2-nd bout with Tyson, despite not having scored a (T)KO and the fight not going to points?
Because Clottey fell apart mentally and got himself DQ'd. The ref warned him repeatedly about headbutts. So Clottey goes and headbutts Baldomir more and more and commits an assortment of other fouls.
Erratic, do you agree or disagree with the fact that Carlos Baldomir has a victory over Joshua Clottey?
Easy Dympeople, Holyfield was simply superior on points, just like Clottey, as I said, no ko + more points equals victory, and yes, this formulae has worked once again, Holyfield was indeed victorious. Dympeople on a somewhat relevant topic, is Margarito a worthy opponent for Floyd Mayweather jr, and what obstacles do you see getting into the way of what is broadly described as an inevitable showdown..?
Now, now now Erratic,....an elbow, a forearm, or a backtwist is as good as a headbutt to a blind bat, there is room for all felonies when it comes to implimenting what is described in American headquarters as a genius defensive system, this shant have anything to do with Joshua Clottey's superior points tally over Baldomir..... fouls?.. what's wrong with fouls?... Clottey up ^
I'd say the best wins of delahoyas career were over chavez 1, vargas, gonzalez and hernandez. none close to cotto
