Wow

I was pretty wrong about this fight ::

Annoyingly I still haven't seen it. I moved house 1 week before the fight, and didn't have a phoneline or the internet until Friday. For more details - see this thread http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?p=666978&posted=1#post666978

I am looking forward to seeing it, even though Cotto lost.

Was it a good fight?

The day before the fight, I felt slightly nervous about it, as Marge is a big welter, and certainly the biggest fighter Cotto has faced. Nerves are normal before a big fight.

To be honest though, at no point did I think Marge would beat Cotto. I just didn't think he was good enough.

I'm not often surprised in boxing, but I still feel surprised about this result.

The BBC report on TV almost indicated that Cotto quit, but all the online reports say that it was a corner stoppage?

Would you all pick Marge in a rematch too?

Did Cotto look undersized? Did marge seem too strong? Who was winning at the time of the stoppage?

Did he look like he had Cotto's number? Too big? Or did he simply look like the better fighter in there?

I still can't believe it, Marge beating Cotto ::

 

the infamous 'i didnt have internet access' excuse!

it was a very good fight. cotto got beatdown and was done, he took a knee when he realized he had no where to go. i cant call it quitting because he was simply finished. definitely would pick margarito in a rematch. margarito was much bigger, stronger, and was winning at the time of the stoppage. too big, and too tough. he walked right through cottos best punches and kept the pressure on

 

That's just unbelievable ::

Like REED said in his "damn" thread "if I hadn't seen it myself, I wouldn't have believed it".

That's sort of how I feel now, I am going to have to see it to believe it.

One of the things that surprised me the most the next day too, was the alluding to Cotto quitting, but I guess that's not true.

 

Margarito was winning on 2 of the judges card at time of the stoppage...the other had it a draw...


Cotto won 4-5 of the first 6 round by outboxing Margarito.....

Cotto did not go to the body....


Cotto took a KNEE in the 11th....SIMILAR to teh way he made JUDAH take a knee in their fight...then he took another knee then Uncle threw in the towel...

Rematch of course Margarito would be teh favorite...but both could improve and do much better in the rematch esp. COTTO...Margarito never look better..IMHO...

Margarito too big? NO...too much activity...okay maybe to big also...

 

Illu's post above covers some of it, but you're right in that you have to see it for yourself.

It was a great fight. I've watched it a couple of times already and have seen different aspects each time.

There is no "controversy" but it's a fight you have to see for yourself.

 

It was a "Legendary Nights" type of fight.

 

it was an excellent fight. i cant really rank it among the ten best live fights Ive seen though. even considering i won money on margarito.

 

I had $20 on Margarito in 11 at 20-1. ::

 

Couple things that I noticed in ths fight as well. Margarito was just walking Cotto down without jabbing. Cotto should have been jabbing and going to Margs body not to mention he should have tied Marg up a little more. Also after he hit Marg with his combos he should have finished up with the jab. He could have jabbed to Margs head and to his body. Plus he should have turned Marg more. Just my observations. I'll Holla 5000

 

By the 7th round was an ass whuppin. I'll Holla 5000

 

:nono: Bigdawg please, you condemn quitting, but condone clinching? wtf?.. I'd rather see a quit in the 11th round in a fight full of action, than 12 rounds of homoerotic stuff just quietly.

 

It was a tremendous fight Mex, and you need to watch it ASAP.

Cotto made Margarito look ponderous for the first half of the fight, winning at least four of the first six rounds by picking Margarito off as he came piling forward, allowing Marge to miss and throwing quick accurate flurries himself before skipping out of range. He hit Marge flush quite a lot in the first half of the fight but never even remotely looked like he could hurt him. Margarito's chin in this fight was granite strong.

Then he got tired, and once he got tired, Margarito didn't, and Cotto couldn't skip away like he had done before because he was drained, so instead of making Margarito miss, he started getting hit; hard and flush. By round 8, it really was only a matter of whether or not Cotto would be able to see the final bell.

He didn't quit- he had nowhere to go. He was blowing hard, spitting blood from his mouth and Marge was right upon him looking to land more hard shots. If he hadn't took a knee, he was seconds away from being KTFO. Plus, his corner threw in the towel.

Cotto CAN win a rematch. To do so, he needs to fight 12 rounds like he did the first six. If he had the stamina to do that, he'd be able to hit and move his way to a comfortable UD IMHO. Whether or not Cotto, who has always needed breathers, can do that is a different matter entirely. Margarito is just a very bad style matchup for Cotto- he is limited but what he does have (great chin, good power, excellent stamina) are the exact tools needed to beat a guy like Cotto.

I would favour Marge if there was a rematch. Unquestionably. By the end, he had broken Cotto down completely.

MTF

 

:bears:

Even fight up ntil the stoppage but the momentum had swung to Margarito who was just chasing Cotto down by the 10th.

 

I'm not talking about the Ricky Hatton/John Ruiz type of clinching or should I say hugging. There's way to tie your opponent up to get a little rest and to take away a guys offense. Big difference between that and what Ricky and Ruiz do. Not get off dick. I'll Holla 5000

 

I can understand holding on when your hurt,.. but tying up to take a little rest?.. - that's fouling,.. constantly tying up your opponent because your too tired to fight, means your just not good enough overall to beat your opponent, so you foul, welch the clock's time out per round without penalty,.. and perhaps even last long enough to 'steal' a victory on points. Good for boxing?,..

 

It was a "Good" Fight N a DRAMATIC Sense (DRASTIC Shift N Momentum @ the Midpoint), but N Terms of Toe to Toe Action, REED has Seen Better...

Don't Get REED Wrong, there WERE Some Nice Exchanges, but Not Enough to Register on a "Fight of the Year" Scale...

As Others have Said, Cotto DIDN'T Quit...Margarito Made him WILT, Physically AND Mentally...A Couple Rounds PRIOR to his Uncle Throwing N the Towel, Cotto LOOKED Defeated...His Face SHOWED Concern & he Body Language Revealed that he Wanted NATHAN to Do w/Margarita...Only problem was, Cotto DIDN'T have the Power to FEND him Off NOR the Legs to Stay AWAY...

U'd DEFINITELY have to Pick Margarita N a RE, but it's Not like Cotto would have NO Chance...The 1st 5-6 rounds Went like U, REED & Many Others EXPECTED...Cotto's Superior SPEED, SKILL & TECHNIQUE Piled Up Rounds...& Margarita's Defense was as POROUS as Ever (So Don't Fall for the Margarita Supporters Talking about his "Underrated Defense")....

Cotto DRILLED Margarita @ Will...2,3 & sometimes 4 Punch Combo's...But Not 1nce was Margarita even the LEAST Bit Deterred...The "Story" of the 1st Half was Margarita's CHIN...It was LaMottaesque...

The 2nd Half was about Cotto DETERIORATING & Margarita Getting STRONGER...He was RELENTLESS N his Pursuit...Cotto Could No Looooooooonger Move as he Did, so he'd Lay on the Ropes or N the Corners & Take a Pounding...Thudding Uppercuts, Bodyblows, Hooks...Margarita ISN'T a "Powerpuncher", but he's Definitely Heavyhanded...He's NOT the Type of Guy U Want to Lay on the Ropes & TAKE Shots from...

N a RE, Cotto would HAVE to Invest N Some Bodywork, to @ Least ATTEMPT to Take Something from him N the Latter Rounds...& TYING Margarita Up Wouldn't Hurt Either...

The Size Difference was RIDICULOUS...It Looked like a SHORT Welter vs. a Middleweight...Margarita was Quite Easily STRONGER & after the 2 Kneeldowns in Round 11, Margarita Would've Been CLEARLY Ahead, if he Wasn't Already...

It SUCKS to B WRONG, but @ Least we have COMPANY!!...

REED:hammert:

 

Margarito broke Cotto mentally and Physically mws.I expect Margarito to beat him easier in the rematch,that's why I think they should never fight again....you''ll see what I mean when you watch the fight.

 

Believe it or not guys, I still haven't seen the fight ::

BT are a joke of a company. They kept saying, yeah yeah, broadband is going to be switched on in a few days. Then when I rang up they would say "Oh, actually the order hasn't even been placed". I've never seen such incompetence in a large corporation.

However, finally it was switched on last night, AND I have already downloaded a 720p copy of the fight, ready to watch on my new plasma :bears:

I'll post my thoughts tonight.

 

that was a straight up tijuana ass whuppin

 

I watched the fight last night finally. Looked incredible in HD on my plasma. You could see every bead of sweat and blood, and one of the things that was striking was just how crystal clear the crowd was, almost distracting at times, because it was so clear and visible.

Onto the fight itself, it was an interesting fight, but somehow slightly underwhelming.

Is it just me, or did the whole fight, including the atmosphere and commentators etc, seem a little subdued?

I thought it would be a bit more dramatic, I wasn't expecting Vazquez - Marquez but I thought it would be a bit more action packed too.

And you're going to hate me for saying this, but I still found Marge to be pretty unspectacular ::

However it was a decisive and impressive win, and I obviously underestimated him.

His stamina and workrate are excellent, as is his chin, and determination.

Those attributes are clearly better than I gave him credit for. Though even when he was beating cotto, he still looked like a basic, sloppy fighter, with a real lack of finesse compared to other top Mexican fighters like Morales, Barrera, both Marquez's and even Vazquez. Clearly though, his chin, stamina and workrate make up for that, and make him the solid welterweight that he is. Purely on those 3 attributes, he's not an easy man to beat.

Cotto's problem is not chin or heart, but stamina.

I thought he won 5 of the first 6, including round 6. The rounds were competitive but clear.

And if I was watching the fight live, it would have looked just as I expected.

Towards the end of round 6, and the beginning of round 7, Cotto started to look gassed, just lost energy, didn't have the same spring in his step and sharpness, and after that there was nothing he could do with Marge's constant pressure.

What amazes me is that he did gas though. It's not like it was a torrid affair through 6 rounds, he didn't have a huge punch output, he didn't take much punishment etc

The difference was, compared to say the Mosley or Judah fights, he was forced to use his legs more, to evade Marge's pressure. And that was obviously enough to make him gas.

I suppose the lack of drama was due to cotto winning the first half of the fight clearly, but not putting a huge beating on marge, nothing dramatic, and also, even when marge was beating cotto, the only round that was a proper beating was round 7. I thought the whole fight would be a bit more vicious than it was.

Both fighters have solid power, if anything Cotto seemed to be the better puncher, and of course the quicker, crisper puncher.

I was very surprised by the fact that Marge wasn't discouraged at all by cotto's hard, crisp counters, or stunned at all.

Cotto has a decent chin too, I thought marge would be able to hurt him more than he did, especially given how tired and vulnerable he was late on.

I thought cotto's sharp punching would discourage marge and make his workrate drop, and that's the main point I was wrong about.

Despite me being a little disappointed in the fight itself, it was a great win for margarito, and he proved his stamina, guts and chin.

I would of course pick him in the rematch, unless cotto can somehow achieve near Duran levels of stamina.

One more thing, I was surprised by the size difference. I mean, I knew cotto was short, I think he is around 5'6, and certainly no more than 5'7, but I expected him to look thicker and bulkier than marge. That wasn't the case, marge was a good few inches taller, and looked just as thick in the body.

At this point, the only people I would pick over Marge at WW are Floyd if he decides to unretire, and Williams. I would be less sure of williams though, because I think he put on an especially good performance against Margarito the first time, I'm not sure he can improve on it much, but Margarito could, purely by starting to fight earlier.

 

One more thing, other than proving his chin, toughness, stamina etc - one thing that made Marge go up a bit in my estimation is his girlfriend :bears:

A nice looking woman, and to the point - so much more natural and sophisticated looking than the average plastic tart you tend to see as boxer's girlfriends.

 

MWS - I just want to point something out. I was at the fight, and the crowd was LOUD! I was shocked when I re-watched on TV how quiet it seemed... but believe me, the crowd was not even a little subdued.

 

Really? How weird. I mean sure, I heard the odd cheer etc, usually when Cotto landed some sharp punches, but it was really noticable, how un-raucus the crowd was for a big fight, especially a Mexico Vs PR fight.

 

REED Thinks that's Because U Watched the Fight KNOWING the Result Ahead of Time & Weeks After the Fact...That Always LESSENS the Fight to Some Degree....

agREED that it WASN'T a "Fight of the Year" Type, but it was VERY Dramatic...The Fight Atmosphere SEEMED Pretty Good, but then Again, REED Watched the Bout @ a Sportsbar w/Some RABID Mexican Fight Fans...

Margarita is TOUGH, BALLSY, PERSISTENT, IRON-CHINNED, but 1 Thing he'll NEVER B Mistaken 4 is "Spectacular"...Margarita Lovers will Take OFFENSE to that, but it's the TRUTH...

He was IMPRESSIVE vs. Cotto, but N a "Wear U Down", "Take EVERYTHING U Can Hit Me w/" Kind of Way...It was like Watching a SPONGE Absorb a Glass of Water...

Your Last Point ENCAPSULATES Margarita Well...His Supporters DESERVE to Gloat, as REED, U & Others were WRONG...But N Terms of Margarita's CHARACTERISTICS as a Fighter, we WEREN'T That Offbase...


REED:mj:

 

agREED...

Mrs. Margarita is Pretty & on the THICK Side...REED Doesn't Really have a "Type" Anymore, but a Nice Combination of Tits, Hips & Ass ALWAYS Grab REED's Attention...

Mrs. Margarita is N the UPPER Echelon of Boxing Wives...


REED:bears:

 

Yeah, I thought it was weird too. I was really looked forward to re-watching so I could feel that crowd noise again, but it didn't come through on TV. Maybe it has something to do with the way the arena was mic'd?

Either way, it was a great atmosphere, and plenty of yelling and cheering... at least in my section.

Tons of Margarito fans too. Especially when he had Cotto on the ropes.

 

HBO probably turned most of them off when Margarito started to turn the tide. ::

 

Not bad for a guy who resembles a wet rat.

 

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