Not to sound like Kauki, but PBF does fudge the rules. He turns his back. If I were training someone to fight him, I tell them to punch him hard in the back until you lose a point. I think it is bullshit he never got points taken for that. I agree though. Floyd would be a fool to trade with Margarito. He might be an idiot and have the most obnoxious personalities ever, but he is smart in the ring. I thought his non effort against Baldomir was disgraceful, but Baldomir shares some of the blame for being so talentless. Floyd would have some rough moments but he'd beat Margarito. He wouldn't sit on the ropes either. He stay in the center and pull counter that slow jab,use his feet to get out and hit margarito before he sets and get out again. Margarito might miss 100 punches around and I mean that literally.
Thank you Free,.. it is true,.. but out of all of his felons the backtwisting is probably the hardest to keep focused on,.. you know if a referee won't even warn you about grinding your elbow into somebody's eye, or pushing your forearm into someone's throat or palming/pushing someone's head back as Fraud does on a chronic basis, what chance is there that the back-twist will ever be dealt with properly?.. It only ever accumulates angry feelings and an unhealthy state of mind.
I have no doubt that Floyd would stop Margarito, if the two met on the street and Floyd asked Tony what time it was.
The fact that Margarito has chased Floyd for years and Floyd wanted nothing to do with him is proof enough. Floyd knows something nobody else does. Margarito is one dangerous motherf*cker, too dangerous apparently. Floyd is retired for a reason and it's not due to outside business ventures and sure as hell not due to old age. :: :laughing:
Theres no way in hell Floyd would stop Tony. And yes, I knew Floyd would stop Hatton, and picked him to do so. But Marg's chin is lightyears better than Hatton's, and he's a bigger man than Hatton with better stamina. Floyd would have to beat Marg by decision.
p4p or whatever, margarito is BETTER than hatton and would give mayweather a much more difficult fight. although mayweather looked great towards the end when he stopped hatton, i saw some decline in him in terms of his speed, reflexes and punchout put. i'm not sure that he'll be able to beat margarito by potshotting. mayweather is the far superior fighter and always has been, but i see this as an even fight at 147 based on the factors i just mentioned.
I wouldn't call it an even fight, but if Cotto couldn't hurt him with all that serious leather he was landing, Mayweather's softie pot-shotting won't hurt him either. Still, for the first few rounds against Cotto, it looked like Margarito was fighting in slow motion.
Like I said, I didn't expect many to agree with me as most people get high on a fighters latest performance and everyone is high on Antonio at the moment. To those that think Floyd would win a boring decision I just don't see how that is possible in this fight. Antonio would bullrush Floyd probably from the 3rd round on and force Floyd to fight and force him to throw many more punches than usual just to keep Antonio off of him. Those who would bet their house on Floyd not being able to stop Antonio should start making other living arrangements if the fight is ever made.
Wow, it never ceases to amaze me how people can express and opinion like it's a fact and then get made out to look like the fool they are when it doesn't happen. Personally, I would try to avoid making threads like this because there is no way to know what will really happen if they by some miracle this fight does happen. The fact is that Margarito is signifigantly stronger then DLH (who people forgot is also a blown up lightweight) and Hatton, Mayweather's biggest win at welterweight. Despite what people say, his style is very different then Corrales's and he's alot stronger then Corrales. The only similarity is that they both follow their opponents around the ring. Corrales was always looking for the homerun and against Mayweather he never came close to seeing a clear shot so he hardly threw any punches in the fight. His corner was basically yelling at him from the 5th round on telling him to at least try to throw something but because he couldn't see any openings, he didn't. Margarito throws a large volley of shots everytime he get planted not caring if there is an opening or not. That's why he's been so sucessful, he really doesn't seem to care much for traditional strategy and clean scoring blows like most American fighters who are groomed from the amatuers to set up and score when they see and opening. The Mexican tradition is to beat your opponent up weather it be his head, elbows, forearms...doesn't matter, getting hit by a guy like Margarito will start to wear any 147 pounder down pretty quickly. Mayweather is more slick then any or Margarito's opponents to date so I wouldn't say that he doesn't have a very good chance of winning, I can say with confidence that this would be the toughest fight of his carrier if he comes out of retirement and takes it and I know that he knows this too.
oscar is not a blown up lightweight. the guy had his most significant wins at 140, all the way up to 154. oscar was a gigantic lightweight, a big ass jr welter, a big welter, and a decent sized jr. middle.
I agree with Rocco for the simple fact that Tony is more like Hatton and Corrales than Oscar, Baldy or Castillo. Tony is more apt to throw caution to the wind and be willing to take one to give one. Although it APPEARS like Baldy, Oscar and Castillo are willing to do the same its not the case. Floyd would be able to hit Tony with great shots...He simply wasn't able to land big against Oscar, Baldy and Castillo because they fought a very measured fight and weren't willing to recklessly press a la Hatton and Corales. I think anyone who squars up in front of Floyd and tries to throw hundreds of punshes per round gets stopped. So yes Floyd would knock Tony the fuck out!
Yes but Tyson was still active and had nowhere left to run when the walls closed in. At least Floyd has the excuse of retirement to escape his execution.
It wasn't that Tyson had nowhere to run. It's that he had nowhere to make that sort of money to try to pay off his debts.
You and I both know that his sudden announcement of retirement was extremely peculiar right when Cotto was the big talk of the town and with Margarito lurking. It was out of the blue. The walls were closing in on Floyd much like they were on Tyson. But Floyd could afford to retire while Tyson couldn't. Come on joony. :bangh:
That's partly what I meant. But we also have to factor in that Tyson avoided Lewis in 1996 and gave up his WBC belt also as well as paying Lewis $4 million. Floyd has been ducking Margarito for years. The situation is very similar.
If it was just about avoiding Cotto, then Mayweather could've fought the Golden Fishnet again, made another $20 million plus, and then talked about how he lost his desire and retired. I'm guessing that his ego is so big, and similar to Winky Wright, he doesn't have a realistic view on his box-office worth and thought he deserved more money against DLH. Then he'll come back next year when he needs more money and realizes how little people care about him when he's retired, since he's such an attention seeker and drama queen. :laughing: Mayweather is apparently trying to match Ray Leonard's record of retirements.
Agreed,.. ----- I can't disagree more with whomever said "Fraud retired ontop",.. :doh: ffs, look at the strength of the welterweight division?...did Fraud really retire ontop?...::... if he retired on top, Margarito still musn't be "worthy"... the incredible Carlos Baldomir, ...is what Fraud has to show for his superiority at welterweight :: ..Vernon Forrest wasn't even required to tell us what an utter fucking scrub he is,... Groupies should just stick to "would haves"..and taking credit for other elite fighters victories.
Mayweather aint stopping Margarito. He didnt stop DLH nor Baldomir, he aint stopping Marge the Mullet
Margarito beat Cotto, who was given hell by an old Shane, who lost to Winky, who got beat by Hopkins, who was beaten by Roy. So yes, Marg's victory indeed enhances Roy's legacy!:cheer:
Maybe Floyd would stop Marg but he has to MAKE THE FIGHT to prove it. The Cotto-Marg fight does not give Floyd retrospective wins over both.