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Ok, if you want to ignore the fact that he impliments those illegal measures which I've highlighted, in order to defend himself, then what can be said, it reminds me of his groupies who supported Fraud's oppurtunistic matchmaking tactics to exploit the sport, and deny the fans of the best possible fights. I couldn't come around to 'getting real' on that detrimental issue either, you know,.. "Margarito isn't worthy"...?

 

if it is indeed illegal, then how come it's only his detractors who bring this up? are you saying all of the refs and the states that commissioned his fights are inept? how come none of his opponents have brought this out?

are you a trainer or do you have any fighting experience? oh i forgot, you and double l are some sort of boxing rules expert. ::

margarito is a worthy opponent in a sense that he has a great chance of beating him. mayweather turned down a much better payday against oscar. why take the risk at this stage of his career against a lesser known guy for less money?

guys like oscar and floyd don't fight for their obsessive haters who want to cream their panties watching them to lose. again, get real.

 

I dont have to be a world champion boxer to see one fighter turning thier back, or using thier elbow, palms, or forearm, I can see that by simply having eye-sight, even Fraud groupies acknowledge he impliments these felons on a regular basis, but rather use the line of "Everyone gets away with fouling".., instead of questioning a posters professional boxing experience, which sounds rather familiar to a certain ridiculed poster, and ironically, it sounds similar to the way Fraud reacted in embarrasing outbursts towards Brian Kinney and Larry Merchant.

Lest you forget, Fraud was offered to fight Margarito and turned him down which lead to the defense your proposing for Floyd now, "He fought De La Hoya for more money" ... De La Hoya announced his fight date for May of next year which was almost a year away, at that point, he was offered the same money again, but turned it down, and eventually fought Baldomir who even Reed acknowledges was a shitty opponent, and yes he was, we dont need hindsight to know that Baldomir was / is, utter shit.

 

balomir was shit, yet just before he beat judah, judah was an apparent threat to mayweather had he gone up to face him.

was floyd a pussy for fighting judah too? was it his fault that he lost to that 'bum' baldomir?

i admit, baldomir is/was mediocre, but you can't discredit him for beating judah in his own backyard. IF floyd hadn't fought him after the judah fight, haters would've said floyd was ducking him as well.

baldomir was also showcased on HBO when he beat the shit outta Gatti, which elevated his status to the public while margarito was still overlooked fighting on obsecure ppvs against cintron and gomez.

THAT and floyd no longer wanted to work w/ bob arum, which publicly made clear following his fight vs. judah.

we can go on forever about this, but frankly, i was just telling it like it is.

you and i have one thing in common, which is the fact that we've both been vocal about margarito as a world class prize fighter.

but the similarity ends there since i've never claimed margarito to be the guy that floyd was ducking, nor does my posting here solely based on bashing mayweather.

get over it, it's guys like you that continue to bring back mayweather to message board discussions.

 

Most agree that Judah is overrated, I personally think he's perhaps the most overrated fighter since Mike Tyson, you've only got to look at his record and the amount of oppurtunities he's been gifted thanks to the impunity he recieves after disgracing himself, that's why Scrubdomir beat him, then Scrubdomir beat Gatti, but so did Gomez,..I mean... in hindsight, it really fares badly if your a Fraud-groupie, what happenned to Judah and Baldomir?... they turned out to be IRRELEVANT to the welterweight division, which is exactly what pro-Margarito supporters said they were,.... Margarito turned out to be extremely relevant, as did Williams and Clottey who according to Fraud groupies were also fighters 'out of the loop', Margarito's fought both of them AND Cotto,... it's a happy ending,.. Margarito is a king,.. Fraud is a dunce, who's fought fuck all at welterweight, and there's more evidence against him that he ducked another fighter, moreso than anyone I can remember,.. maybe Bowe - Lewis, compares... but that's about it,..if Fraud didn't duck Margarito,.. nobodies ducked anybody in the history of the sport.

Fraud is brought into discussions regarding the welterweight division because 2006 was a dark year for boxing, it was a year that made Fraud the centre of the universe, he dictated, and his groupies propergated,..and they propergated HARD, in DROVES,.. it was one big pathetic spin designed to suit the king's agenda, to exploit boxing and destroy it's code of honour and all it's ethics,.. boxing became all about the boxer,.. so fuck it,.. I love sweeping away the spider web strangled around the welterweight division which was left here by Fraud and his groupies,..they can't expect to "high roll" without any consequences, they never had an ounce of philosophical respect for boxing as a whole and should very much be reminded of it... in vain hope that they wont do it again.

 

yea tyson and judah were overrated, yet they were both undispuated champs of their division at one point, something 90 percent of boxers today can't accomplish.

i guess you have super high standards for fighters.

margarito is one of my favorite fighters, but his first win over cintron wasn't bigger than 'scrubdomir's win over judah'.

i'd also take judah's wins over stinks over any of margarito's wins prior to cotto's.

excuses or not, floyd has corrales, chavez, hernandez, de la hoya, judah, baldomir, gatti, hatton, corley on his resume. margarito's record needs to be looked up on boxrec for people to see who he's fought and even then, unless you're an avid fan of telefutura/espn 2 series, you'd say 'who da fuck is golden johnson and manuel gomez?'

 

This p4p stuff is more elusive spin, typically used by Fraud groupies,..Im talking about welterweight, the RELEVANT division right now, if your going to try and lower Margarito's achievements as a welterweight, and knight Fraud the king of welterweight, the 'undisputed champion' infact, by pumping up his wins over midgets, this p4p mythical magic wont help Chavez, Hatton, Corley, Judah, Hernandez, Corrales in the ring against the tier of Margarito's resume,.. Junior welterweights, Light-weights and below, are inferior divisions,... the monsters on Margarito's resume,.. maul and tear shreds over the midgets on Fraud's resume,.. and all Fraud groupies have to defend themselves of this FACT,.. are mythical spells that "For a moment in our imaginations, make everyone the same size"... you put shit on Cintron, but he's bigger and stronger than anybody Fraud has ever dared to face, he would put tiny little Chavez in a fucking coma ::, and that's the raw reality of a victory over Cintron in comparison to a victory over Chavez.