Klitschko on Haye: "I want to fight him and shut him up"

Haye should fight Toney. He's a small HW with a great Chin. Guaranteed to give him rounds.

Toney would knock Haye out though so I doubt it happens.

 

Well, yeah, when he said "top 10" he really meant "top 40"...meaning in the top ten in some org's rankings (though I guess the number of top 10 heavyweights is probably closer to 25 or so when you take out the redundant names).

Regardless, if he scrapes the bottom of the barrel for this fight it'll be a disappointment considering how much he's gotten out of talking about how bad the division is.

 

dsimon writes:

Hanzy answer honestly... would you rather see Klitschko against Potavkin or Haye? Then answer: would most fans rather see Klitschko against Potavkin or Haye?

 

dsimon writes:

People what the fuck!!!! Yes in a decent division there is a pecking order... am i missing something? this division sucks!!!

Haye would get handled by Toney. Toney should help train Haye. If Anything let Haye fight Sam Peter with the winner fighting Klitchko. BUt the division is not that deep and there are not many guys who have a punch that what makes Haye compelling!

Haye has enough size to punch lights out thats what the heavy weight division is about and what makes it different than other divisions.

 

Doesn't matter how good or bad the division is. You get a title shot by earning it in that division. If it's so shitty, Haye should have no trouble taking out a few of these "cans" and earning a shot right?

How long has it been since he fought? His last fight he fought 2 damn rounds and took zero punishment, he could have turned around and fought someone right away. He could have fought again by now and had a HW fight out of the way already, and then another in the fall and THEN if he wins against two ranked guys earned a legit shot.

 

I'd rather see Povetkin, whom I would have no hesitation in taking to beat Haye.

But I understand you want to see Klitschko knocked out and you're hoping Hayemaker will be the one to do it.

 

Haye is pretty overrated for a guy who has like 2 names on his resume and other than that has only KO'd a bunch of cans AND has a KO loss on his record.

If anyone thinks Wlad has bad stamina, take a look at Haye's loss. ::

 

I was saying as such in response to Hanzy stating that it was a little CW against a SHW...

Perspective, dear Steve Dave, perspective... ::

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Who is overrating him except maybe himself?

At least he is interesting. Which is more than can be said for 99.99 recurring HW's in existance today. That is why he is talked about as he is- he's making noise, he's running his mouth and he might (and I am well aware that this is a very definiate might) just be able to back up his mouth.

Whatever happens, Haye v Klit will be the most watched HW fight since Lewis retired. And that can never be a bad thing for we boxing fans...

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Dsimon, I rarely agree with you, as well you know, but everything you say here is 100% correct.

Haye will either KTFO Klit or vice versa. Either way, for the first time in a long, LONG time, people will CARE about the most stagnant division in boxing.

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Why is Haye vs Wlad such a big fight? You are talking as if Haye is a huge draw. I'm not sure anyone outside hardcore fans even knows who he is.

 

I think Haye should fight Samuel Peter first and get his ass beat.

 

dsimon writes:

Against who? The division sucks there is nobody to fight.

 

dsimon writes:

Not really. I don't want to see Klitschko knocked out I want to see Klitschko not be so safety oriented and protected against taking a fight where the opponent is a risk. I also do think that his brother and him are doing this to strangle the division and should be made to feel responsible to the fans for fighting against opponents who pose virtually no risk.

Potvakin is not a risk, he is a low percentage fight, a rookie who probably will shit in his pants at the mere sight of Vlad... He cannot punch hard enough to possibly cause a problem for Vitaly. Which is fine... after that fight then take a guy who you know the fans want to see you fight.

I will say it again the heavyweight division usually has some punchers around. They are few and far between and that makes Haye a valuable commodity... less supply of punchers, makes Haye worth fighting. If the division was chok a blok full of guys like Razor Ruddock and Riddick Bowe and Tyson and Holyfield then maybe a guy like Povkin would stand out as an intersting alternative!

 

dsimon writes:
People want to turn this into a judgement callon Haye's credentials. It isn't and he is a champion in his division if people need that kind of assurances.

 

Really?

Besides Hatton and Calzaghe, Haye is arguably the best known boxer in the UK, certainly.

I don't know a single lay person in the UK who could name a single active heavyweight besides, maybe, Wlad. And even then, there is confusion over the first name; half of those who say Wlad actually then say 'the guy who fought Lewis'.

Compared to ANY other HW on earth, Haye is a huge draw, deserved or not.

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Precisely

If the HW division was full of names and/or quality fighters, the CW champion moving up and making noise wouldn't mean shit.

The HW division, though, is full of shit. Utter, utter dross. It is so bad that those who slated Lennox and his 'chess' style of kicking the FUCK out of people are weeping in despair.

Haye is completely unproven at HW, sure, but he is a BIG CW who has beaten the consensus No.1 CW (Mormeck) by KTFO and another belt holder (Maccarinelli) by KTFO. Now, instead of hanging around in the dead mans division beating the fuck out of people no-one gives a fuck about (Cunningham, O'Bell et al), he chooses to move up and take a chance with his right hand, speed and mouth with the big boys and, instead of wishing him well, REAL boxing fans want to see him fight fucking NOBODIES like top ten contenders.

Have you guys SEEN the top ten lists? It reads like a HW graveyard, FFS!!!

I wonder why people watch boxing at times like this. What is better- the undisputed CW champ coming up to call out the HW champ, or another robotic Eastern Euro HW, weighing a million pounds of flab and scaling near seven foot, ambling around the ring thowing a couple of punches per round and boring the living fuck out of everyone?

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Yet you want the Hypemaker protected until he can fight Klitschko.:dunno:

 

rACK him!! hOW DARE YOU MAKE AN OBVIOUS POINT.

 

dsimon writes:

In a sense I would say "yes." Brewster is a good example of why this is. Lamont on his good days could look like Dempsey::. But he got pulled into a lot of matches where he could not get a decision or outbox the other guy and ultimately when Klittchko got to him for round two Brewster was a beaten man. My point is that Brewster could have been managed better after he beat Klitschko the first time and matched up better a few times before he fought Klitschko again.

Yes you do have to make good matches it is part of the game. Haye should not be fighting crafty guys right now GIVEN the way the division looks right now... Is that horrible? Haye can learn the subtletlies of the game but right now his job, as a champion moving up, is to challenge another champion on the strength of his punch.... PERIOD!

If Vlad had banished all doubts then it would not be as significant... What you and Z fail to realize is that half the reason Haye gets so much air time on his threat is because of Klitschko's percieved weakness.

 

dsimon writes:

You guys are just being dense now.... Failing to realize what Haye compares too. David Haye does not exist in a vacuum. What steller heavies are around that can crack in the division right now?

Toney is one of my favorite fighters of all time but no way he can fight someone Klitschko's size, especially at his age. And Toney would beat Haye... easily. So what do you suggest? because Haye can't beat some of the other guys what puncher would you put up against Klitschko instead?

 

Haye is not that much or at all better than any other average heavyweight. Povetkin would stop him and possibly end his life. The division is bad and Haye is just an average guy in the division.

 

Uuuuuh, Did U SEE Povetkin vs "Fast" (& FLABBY) Eddie Chambers???


REED:kidcool:

 

it's funny how people are already ripping Haye.

Let see the guy fight heavyweights before we rank him or call him a fraud.

I like what Haye brings. Even if he did fail and got Kod I"m sure he would bring excitement to the division. Something no other heavyweight is doing.

What I hate about Klitchko is how they say he wont' take a chance if he feels threatened. how exactly was Ibragimov a threat to him?:bangh:

 

Haye has no chin at all. None. I got Povetkin over Haye as well.

 

dsimon writes:

Ok to make this point let me try something else..... Consider this a rhetorical question.... If you had to buy a ticket with your last dollar to watch Klitschko fight would you rather watch him fight Povektin 'cause he can beat Haye (No doubt a true statement) or Haye who could catch klitshcko with a punch like Sanders did?

 

dsimon writes:



again: So what? Toney would probably beat Haye as well. Toney should not fight Klitschko and I don't believe Mitchell which is why I made the question rhetorical ::..... Would you rather see KLitschko against Haye or Povetkin?

Styles sometimes make fights.

 

Yeah. I am not impressed at all with Povetkin that said, I am not impressed with Haye either although he is fun to watch. Imo, if Fat Eddie Chambers brought his balls and bought a treadmill; Eddie would have won.

To be fair, Chambers has great handspeed for a heavyweight.

 

I think Povetkin has a much better shot. Haye's only real chance as far as I can tell is landing a bomb. hE CANNOT take Wlad's shot. I know this based on his past. If Povetkin can, I don't know that, he could stop Wlad "Purrity" style.

 

I would rather see Klitchko against Povetkin. It will last longer than a couple rounds. First flush punch Wlad lands ends Haye.