olympic scoring sucks

Yanez had a good first 30 seconds of round 3, but continues to fall into the pattern of waiting and posing.

 

Yanez was down two late in the last round, scored one punch with about 15 to go but couldn't get another in before the bell.

Yanez eliminated 8-7, only two Americans remain.

 

well I've watched a few fights today and my impression is that they've been gay. maybe I picked the wrong day to start watching but it looks like a waste of time.

 

Well, I haven't watched every day, but there's a few fighters that are worth watching, other than just the two remaining Americans Demetrius Andrade and Deontay Wilder...like Roberto Camarelle, Oleksandr Usyk, Vasyl Lomachenko, Bakhtiyar Artayev.

Alexey Tischenko is a good fighter, he has what should be a good fight coming up against Darleys Perez...and possible potential fights against Jongsub Baik and Yordenas Ugas. This is one of the better weight classes from what I can tell.

Darren Sutherland-Alfonso Blanco Parra should be an entertaining fight.

You might just want to avoid the lighter weights.

 

Estrada looked rubbish.

Degale is pretty sloppy and slappy, but estrada was just crap.

 

Who beat Yanez?

By the way, I think this is the most talentless Olympics I've ever seen, especially for the Americans.

I mean really, is there anyone at all to look forward to in the pro ranks that you've seen in the olympics? That goes for any country.

Pretty disappointing.

 

Serdamba Purevdorj. Yanez probably landed more punches from what I could tell, but not a great performance by him.

 

I agree. The talent overall hasn't really been high. There are a few hopefulls though.

EDIT: I've been recording, and I just got in and tried to tune in to watch the last half hour, but it's just all black. Wierd....hopefully I can watch.

 

FUCK!!!!:doh:

 

Estrada was absolutely horrible I agree. He just lunged in over and over.

 

Andrade from the US could make a pretty good pro. I was pretty impressed with his 2nd fight.

 

Not sure what was more disappointing, Yanez' performance or Dan Campbell putting their business out there for all to hear.

Damn, two friggin' Americans left after just two rounds, USA's worst showing in the history of Olympic boxing.

 

Please vote on the Is Dan Campbell the worst US Olympic boxing coach of all time thread.

 

I would nause you all for the US being so crap in these olympics, but it sucks for me too really, and any boxing fan. It would be nice to look forward to new talent in the pro ranks.

 

The Olympics haven't changed the fact that all of the main US talent are still viable prospects, particularly Warren and Andrade. But there are probably three other guys who will end up getting world championship belts, too.

 

Well, we as boxing fans may need to change our views on how much of a feeder system the Olympics are to the pros for US (and other countries), because it may simply be that pro styles just aren't conducive to success with the amateur scoring system.

There's some former top American amatuers - like Daniel Jacobs, Hylon Williams Jr., Rico Ramos - that turned pro within the last year that didn't make the Olympic team.

Amateur success just may not be much of a determinant on pro success.

 

agREED...

REED will Even Go So Far as to Predict that the 2008 Team will B MORE Successful as Pro's than 2000 or 2004...

Andrade, Williams, Warren, Russell, Jr., & Yanez will ALL win @ Least 1 World Title N the Pro's...

& Don't Rule Out Ali & Molina either...



REED:mj:

 

U.S. Ammy Fighters Look @ the Olympics as a SPRINGBOARD to Pro Success...From the MOMENT U.S. Fighters Start Boxing, 99.999% of them R Thinking PRO...REED Knows 10 Year Old Kids ALREADY Talking about "When I Turn Pro"...

DeLa, Sugar Ray, Foreman, Ali, etc., R the Role Models...The BLUEPRINT...

Conversely, Most of the Teams we're Competing Against have 27 Year Old "Ammy's" like Shiming...The Cuban Team USED to B that Way Until Casamayor Defected...Teofilo Stevenson & Felix Savon were N their 30's, Still Fighting for Medals @ the Olympics...Most of Our Olympic Competition has NO Desire to Turn Pro...

U're 100% Correct...Pro Styles AREN'T Conducive to the Amatuer Scoring System...HURTFUL Blows R IRRELEVANT...If U DROP a Guy for a 9-Count w/an Uppercut, it's Scored the Same as a Defensive, Pitty Pat Jab Off the Back Foot...

Body Blows & INFIGHTING N General, R RARELY Acknowledged N the Scoring...Ditto for Combinations...The Judges RARELY Give Out More than 1 Point per Exchange...


REED:mj:

 

One major problem is that with open scoring and small numbers of landed punches that are scored, the system seems to lead fighters who get an early lead to fight to preserve/protect it.

Some fighters are doing that as early as the second or third round.

 

Maybe the dual combination is correct. It's not just open scoring, though.

In the 2004 Olympics, the scores were, in effect, open. All teams had spies in the crowds relaying what the scores were and the fighters were aware.

In the 2007 World Championships, the scoring was open and while there might have been some protecting of leads at the end, it wasn't like this.

Maybe it's just the importance of the Olys that makes guys go more conservative, but it seems like an Am wouldn't dismiss the world championships at all. I think it has more to do with how difficult it is to score in these olympics (which was your other reason, so I do agree), so fighters and coaches know there is no way a guy will score 3 points in the last 30 seconds so you might as well run and know you'll get it.

 

I agree it's not just the open scoring. But the scores are very low and what gets scored and what doesn't seems so arbitrary - good punches that don't, seemingly missed punches that do - that there'd be too much doubt about leads (who had it and by what amount) if the scores weren't known.

But the negative fighting - running, holding, etc. - seems to increase from the fighters in the lead late in fights.

Sometimes, though, it's being done by the fighter that's behind. :::dunno:

 

hahhahaha. who would've known, two of america's most prominent amateur fighters would be eliminated by koreans!

 

Vastine just piled up points with right hands in that round.

 

Toureano Johnson-Slamu Hanati is a pretty entertaining fight.

A pitcher's duel in scoring terms, though.::

Edit: that was probably the best action fight I've seen in the Olympics.

 

The first round of Andrade's fight...two cautious to box, one scored punch...that came in the final seconds of the round.

 

Kim's got a pretty good defensive guard, brings his hands up pretty fast and tight when Andrade punches.

The body's available, though, it appears.

 

Bye Bye Andradeld::doh:

 

Andrade leaves the ring before the scores are announced. Light boos.

One American left.

 

I guess just hold your hands up to the side of your head and you can win:boohoo:

 

Well, one thing about this Olympic scoring system is that it doesn't just reward activity.

Andrade was busier and more active, probably landed more punches...but there wasn't a lot of quality in it.