Quintana "First Margarito and then Cotto"

Quintana is in negociations to fight Margarito as soon as october. He said to the Puertorican newspaper El Vocero.

Styles makes fights. What do you think guy's? Quintana did beat Margarito's daddy 1 time.::

Full Story----http://www.vocero.com/noticias.asp?s=Deportes&n=117354

 

Margarito will make him wilt and stop him

 

Quintana's akward style may give Margarito serious problems. Toney is as 1 dimensional as they come so let's not overate him. The question is can Quintana take the pressure for 12 rounds? I think he can't. But I have been wrong many times before. :kidcool:

 

Good luck Carlos.

 

Tony is NOT one dimensional !!! What basis is there for that statement? I don't get it. WTF?

 

Margarito mauls him.

 

Yeah, & he's Got "Underrated" Defense too, Right???:boohoo:

The "Basis" for Calling Margarita "1-Dimensional" Lies N his FIGHTS, Doub...Granted, he's DAMN GOOD N that 1 Dimension, but Please DON'T Characterize him as Anything OTHER than what he Is...

@ his BEST, Margarita is a Face-1st, Perpetually FORWARD Moving, Heavy Handed, Volume Puncher...

Like Doug Fisher Said, Margarita's the "STEREOTYPICAL Mexican Fighter"...STRONG Willed, TOUGH, STOUT Chin & a Desire to TRADE...

Margarita is BASIC, N a Good Way, but BASIC Nonetheless...



REED:hammert:

 

Margarito knocks Quintana out. Williams isn't a puncher at all and he stopped this guy in one. No way does he make it out of a fight with Margarito on his feet.

 

Quintana's DELUSIONAL...

He had "Issues" w/his Stamina N the 1st Paul Williams Fight...So There's NOfuckingWAY Quintana will B Able to Withstand 12 Rounds of that Margarita HEAT...

Quintana's Footwork, Handspeed & Counterpunching will Allow him to START well, but 1nce he Hits that Wall of Fatigue, his Ass is GRASS...& the Thing w/Quintana is, when he Loses, he Loses BADLY...

Margarita by Stoppage, by Round 7 or So...
REED:hammert:

 

Nuff said!:bears:

 

Stamina will be Quintana's downfall in my opinion. He has talent but he can't last 12 rounds in my opinion either. I think prior to the Williams rematch Quintana was working hard on Stamina but we didnt have a chance to see it due to the ko loss to Williams.

 

To me he looked a bit bloated for the Williams rematch - like he hadn't trained all that hard and had to sweat off a lot of weight.

Also, I think Williams can hit a lot harder than he usually does. He's probably figured out that loading up tires the shit out of him given how much weight he has to shed to make weight, so he focuses on touching up his opponent with volume. But against Quintana, I think he figured it was do or die given Quintana's ability to out-manuever him in the first fight.

 

All are very possible. :bears:

 

Say what you will but he had enough dimensions to stop Cotto. I guess Cotto just isn't any good then if he can't beat a one dimensional fighter.

 

Watch Margarito's fight with Lujan and then watch his fight with Cotto and then tell me he's one dimensional. And while you're at it, check out his fight with Antonio Diaz followed by his fight with Williams.

The main reason people "think" Margarito is sloppy and unskilled is because:

a. He changes from orthodox to southpaw so often when he attacks

b. He's able to punch without being set - in fact he can punch while moving forward - this means he doesn't even need to cut off the ring to get to his opponent. Just ask Cotto.

So Margarito's so-called sloppiness and lack of skill are two of the very attributes that make him so effective and that make him very difficult to out-box. For example, you'll never see anyone, and I mean nobody, do to Margarito what PBF was able to do to Corrales.

 

Cotto is no Tito for sure. But Cotto was tagging Margarito at will for the first 5-6 rounds.

 

At Will? Gimme a break. He moved around the ring for 2:00 of every round, stopping and landing the occasional flurry. For the most part, he fought like he was trying to steal a decision and wanted nothing to do with mounting any kind of sustained assault on Margarito.

That's what was so impressive about Williams. At least in the first 8 rounds, he fought Margarito for the most part, although he did hold him a lot, something Cotto didn't do much of, probably because he knew he'd pay for it.

 

That's what bugs the most with you, Double L. You can't give any credit to a fighter that doesn't fight your fighter's fight. You'd want all skilled fighters to be face first brawlers to accomodate less skilled fighters. Every freaking time a fighter you like lose (or one the beat a fighter you like (see Williams)) you always downgrade his victory trying to pretend that he didn't really fight... Even though Margarito won and was able to impose his will on Cotto, you're still trying to make it look like Cotto didn't anything but run in the rounds he won. Your bad faith is simply disgusting.

 

Yeah, Doub's Chock FULL of Shit...

He Gets PISSY w/Roy Jones Fans for Attributing "Unbeatable" Qualities to him, then Does LIKEWISE to Margarita...Saying NOBODY can Outbox him like Floyd did Corrales...

Doub CAN'T Even Bring Himself to Admit what's OBVIOUS...That Cotto INDEED Hit Margarita AT WILL...Whenever Cotto WANTED to Hit Margarita he had Absolutely NO PROBLEMS Doing So...

When a Guy Throws 4 Shots @ U & ALL 4 of them LAND, that's Called Getting Him AT WILL...& Cotto Did that VARIOUS Times N the Early Going...Cotto Dropped 2,3 AND 4 Punch Combo's on Margarita...

Margarita's CHIN Won him that Fight, NOT his Defense...



REED:mj:

 

REED HAS Seen those Fights...

AND the Six Heads Fight, the Kyvelos Fight, the Cintron Fights, the Cotto Fight & Many Others...REED has SEEN Margarita Close to 15 Times...

He IS what he Is...A "Stereotypical" Mexican Fighter...A TOUGH, DETERMINED, MORE than Willing to TAKE 3 Shots to Land 1, Heavy Handed, Volume Punching, Pressure Fighter...

So SPARE REED All this Talk of his Versatility...It's NOT There...

He "Punches w/Out Being Set" Because his M.O. is VOLUME...He Wants to OCCUPY his Opponent w/PRESSURE & PUNCHES, so he's Often NOT Concerned w/Whether he's Set or Not...Ortho or Southpaw...

Even Margarita's Own Trainer Said they DON'T Spend Much Time on Strategy; Instead they Make Sure he's CONDITIONED so that he Can Go to War Loooooooonger than his Opponent...

Part of why U HATE Roy & Floyd is Because of their Fans...Well, YOU'RE the Type of Fan that Makes Guys HATE Margarita...He's BASIC, Dude...So Please STOP Portraying him as Some sort of SUBTLE Boxer-Puncher, Cause he Most Certainly ISN'T...



REED:warning:

 

REED HAS Seen those Fights...

AND the Six Heads Fight, the Kyvelos Fight, the Cintron Fights, the Cotto Fight & Many Others...REED has SEEN Margarita Close to 15 Times...

He IS what he Is...A "Stereotypical" Mexican Fighter...A TOUGH, DETERMINED, MORE than Willing to TAKE 3 Shots to Land 1, Heavy Handed, Volume Punching, Pressure Fighter...

So SPARE REED All this Talk of his Versatility...It's NOT There...

He "Punches w/Out Being Set" Because his M.O. is VOLUME...He Wants to OCCUPY his Opponent w/PRESSURE & PUNCHES, so he's Often NOT Concerned w/Whether he's Set or Not...Ortho or Southpaw...

Even Margarita's Own Trainer Said they DON'T Spend Much Time on Strategy; Instead they Make Sure he's CONDITIONED so that he Can Go to War Loooooooonger than his Opponent...

Part of why U HATE Roy & Floyd is Because of their Fans...Well, YOU'RE the Type of Fan that Makes Guys HATE Margarita...He's BASIC, Dude...So Please STOP Portraying him as Some sort of SUBTLE Boxer-Puncher, Cause he Most Certainly ISN'T...



REED:warning:

 

There was a whole lot more than Margaritos chin that won him that fight.

 

margarito would ruin him. quintana probably beats clottey though.

 

His SIZE (1st & Foremost), STRENGTH, PERSISTENCE, Bodypunching, Uppercuts & CHIN Won him that Fight...

But w/Out Question, Margarita's CHIN Kept him IN the Fight...w/Out that Beard of his, the 2nd Half of the Fight would've Been IRRELEVANT...

He OUTMANNED Cotto, Plain & Simple...

Doub's Trying to Make it Seem like Margarita Used "Technical Subtleties" to Win & that's BULLSHIT...


REED:kidcool:

 

Well, there are a few things that Margarito does that fighters of his ilk do not. He's certainly not defensively gifted though, but he protects himself well enough to stay well equipped to think.

I think the most underrated part of Margarito's game is his use of angles. He will step off to the left or right shoulder of an opponent to look for fresh angles to bring shots from. It's a very understated skill, but one that Ricky Hatton used to employ to great effect.

It's not the philly shell or that pull counter (or whatever other thinga are popular with internet forum posters), but its every bit as important to making a successful fighter and shouldn't be ignored.

 

I agree. His chin has kept him in this game this far. :bears: I remember he took some bombs from Daniel Santos and kept coming. He has a great chin for sure.

 

Quintana has NO SHOT...Cotto was hurting him as early as round 2...and by round 4-5 the ring for him got smaller..and smaller..


Margarito in 6 rounds or less...

 

what is the point of Quintana/Margarito?

I rather see Margarito/Clottey rematch. It's a better fight and means more at 147

if Quintana wants to talk shit he should start with Williams who fucking embarrassed him in one round.

 

I think Quintana has more of a future in comedy than he does as a fighter. Paul Williams trained two minutes for their first figt. We saw what happened when Williams was focused. Quintana would sit on his vagina and quit after 6 rounds against Margarito. Quittana is A C level fighter whose 15 minutes are OVER.

 

Personally, I think Williams owes Quintana a rubber match. Losing over 12 rounds is more telling that a first round KO. I think Williams got lucky in the rematch really. I guarantee you Williams doesn't score an early KO in a third fight.