Anyone doing the Calderon vs Cazares Round by Round?

I understand that but there's no point in him starving himself to make 108 any longer. There's a hell of a lot more money to be made at 112 and 115, and like I said, how many chances should he be given before we can agree that he's not better than Calderon? The only thing he proved in both fights is what a tremendous sore loser he is.

 

haha. i was looking for my post in the valuev-ruiz thread.

 

Maybe he really felt he was wronged? I can understand him being pissed off about the rematch, but not the first fight. He lost the first clearly. The 2nd fight sure he was behind but it was closer and he was coming on IMO.

 

how was it closer and how was hi coming on?

he was more reckless than the first fight but was less effective.

He was so off balance because of how silly he was coming in that Calderon actually rocked him a few times. Not because of his power obviously but because he had no gameplan.

The rematch looked like a bullfight. Even the crowd yelled "ole" everytime Calderon made him miss and slaped him with a counter. ::

It's too bad the fight was stopped but the cut on Calderon's forehead was pretty bad.

regardless Calderon damn near won every round.

I really can't understand what Cazares is bitching about. He got schooled in half a fight. :laughing:

 

it was closer from a scorecards perspective - he lost by 1 pt/round on one card, though I thought 68-65 (which is how the other two cards read) was more accurate.

 

:::bears:


OLE!!!!::::::

 

You know Puerto Rican boxing is in trouble when fans show an ridiculous amount of love for Daniel Santos and Ivan Calderon.

 

Calderon is disgusting. How anyone can cheer when a guy literally turns his back and runs out of the way of a volley of punches, only to literally throw a jab in return is beyond me.

He provides next to NO offense.

 

Cazares won 2-3 rounds out of the 7. I don't know how he got "schooled". The cards were pretty much correct. Calderon was ahead by 1-3 points. He was providing VERY little offense though. You don't win rounds just by making the other guy miss. You need to hit him back as well. In some rounds Calderon simply didn't do that. Cazares was pressing the issue more and more that's how he was coming on. Wow, the crowd was supporting there own fighter. :cheer: What a shock. They should have been shouting "bitch", because Calderon sure was holding and running a lot. I guess some people think holding,running and providing VERY little offense is a "schooling" now. Get real. he won more rounds than he lost but it was hardly a convincing performance.

 

I disagree. WHat Calderon does is stop his opponent winning rounds, not actually winning them himself. I'd describe it as: "Cazares lost more rounds, but it was hardly a convincing performance"

 

Same thing pretty much, horrible to watch.

 

agRAFAELSORIANOd. Calderon is a loser.

 

agREED 100% with this post. If anything, this fight played out like the last few rounds of the first fight, when it was the first 8 or so rounds that we wanted to see repeated.

I appreciate Calderon's skills, but do agree that last weekend was hardly one for the scrapbook.

 

Calderon did what he was supposed to do being the little guy with no power.

He made the guy miss and countered. Countered so much he outlanded his oponent.

Did you guys expect him to trade with Cazares and show how macho he is?::

you gotta consider he was fighting a natural bantamweight.

What did Cazares do that was so special? he came forward and missed most of the stuff he threw.

at the end all he could do is whine:atu:

 

I'm sure if Calderon came in throwing haymakers like Mayorga and got KO'd that would make you happy.

sorry man Calderon was born with a brain and he uses it unlike that caveman Cazares who I'm sure your a fan off. :cheer:

 

Cazares looked drunk at times. I never though Calderon could actually rock him with punches. That's how off balance he was coming in. Simply because he had no game plan but to desperately throw punches.

 

Boxing is boxing. What Juan Marquez does, that is boxing. Nice combinations,angles and a bit of movement thrown in. Marquez RARELY holds or runs. What Calderon was doing against Cazares was just crap. Running,holding and doing as little as possible to try to "win" rounds. Yeah that's real great for the sport of boxing. Guys like Calderon are what those MMA fans are talking about when talking shit about boxing. IN HIS CASE THEY ARE CORRECT TO!! :atu:

 

yeah but he did it in far more entertaining fashion the first time they fought. That's the problem most people have with the rematch, that he willingly stunk out the joint for the sake of not getting hit.

 

That is how FLoyd Mayweather Jr. became P4P #1 and retired undefeated.:boohoo:

 

and people had plenty to say when his fights (Baldomir, DLH leading the pack) were anything short of entertaining

 

Truth.

 

Don't EVER compare Floyd's style to Calderon's. Floyd has a couple of boring fights but he had several entertaining fights.

 

FLoyds had boring fights, but not because he fought with an overtly negative style. He was just way too good for the opponent and boxed within himself because of it.

With Calderon, he literally had to run, hold and moan to the ref to remain upright.

 

You guys must get joy out of shitting on Calderon. He's one of the best p4p right now. He's using what God blessed him with, He's a master boxer. You can't expect the man to slug it out with a opponent that's 2 weight classes bigger. That's ridiculous. Calderon dosent have power, so he has to use what he has, speed, ring generalship etc...

 

Mate, I agree that Calderon is a good fighter. He's very good. But he's also winning in ways that alot of us find disgusting. In the pro's, you need to entertain the fans. While some guys like it...PLENTY don't and thats all this is.

I don't think he should be given rounds simply by making people look bad. To me, thats not actually winning a round. That said, Cazares is a mindless moron. He threw way too many crazy headshots at a guy who just doesn't get hit.

 

I agree. Unfortunately for Ivan he has no power whatsoever. Fans love knockouts and because of Ivan's style he dosent have much of a fan base outside of Puerto Rico. Only the fans who love the art of boxing can appreciate Calderon. :kidcool:

 

Ugh. Thats a somewhat condescending and silly viewpoint. I appreciate the art of boxing...I don't appreciate the art of avoiding a fight, while producing next to no offense. The best fighters are the guys who win by beating up opponents, using a variety of skills. Not who go 12 rounds, because they never try to fight back and finish.

Calderon is no puncher, but he's able to punch back. He doesn't.

 

Who said they expected Calderon to slug? I expect the guy to actually box. Rewatch the first several rounds of his first fight against Cazares and then watch the rematch. If you can't tell a difference you know zero about boxing. He boxed very well the first several rounds the first time they fought. In the rematch he held,ran and fought as little as possible. That is NOT master boxing and it's an insult to guys who are great boxers to call it that.

 

:atu::doh:

 

Yeah that's what I thought. Funny aren't you 1 of Floyd's biggest detractors? He was "boring". I guess he wasn't Puerto Rican enough for you. Compared to Calderon, Mayweather was Gatt in terms of excitement.