Round by Round: Juan Diaz vs. Michael Katsidis

Kaat sounded like a airhead.

 

You may have missed this gem by Lewis:

"Definitely. You need both eyes to see in there."?

 

It just seems too absurd to be real, it seems like a pisstake ::

 

While Kellerman saying Juarez has never had a late knockout like he scored tonight was a classic example of his briliant powers of recollection.

 

HBO is awful tonight. Going on and on about scoring corruption.

Lederman and Papa's scorecards were far worse then any judge who handed in a scorecard tonight. :shit:

I miss Merchant.

 

Juan is the same guy he's always been, but I overestimated Kat by alot. Still, props to Diaz.

 

one thing's clear, max kellerman is inept.

diaz won fair and square, but he was hardly impressive. the lightweight division has some names, but isn't all that great.

 

My problem is having it done over an open mic to the rest of the arena. It's a pet peeve of mine. It's one thing giving a television interview but this isn't pro wrestling. The crowd doesn't need to be made a part of the interview.

 

Hopefully this should make a lot of you realise how good a broadcaster Merchant is.

Larry is the man. Kellerman and Lewis are just a couple of knobs.

 

You gotta like Diaz, if anything, for the fact that the dude has Corey Spinks-esque punching power but doesn't run a hold like a bitch - in fact he does the exact opposite.

Despite his complete lack of punching power, he still sits in the pocket and throws combinations, and isn't afraid to mix it up with guys who can crack.

 

The whole team is ass! Bob Popa is nothing special at all. Kellerman, who once upon a time in the FNF days was actually a voice of reason in the sport, now is an arrogant prick who talks out his ass. Then of course you have clueless Lewis.

 

I agree with you on that. Those interviews (particularly for the loser of the event) rarely come off classy; it just riles people up and makes everyone want to get the hell out of there.

 

I think announcer scoring has become far too prevalent in boxing broadcasts.

It's not like there's a lot of boxing commissions that recommend their judges score a fight with a headset on as they do the call of the fight with 2-3 other broadcasters.

On HBO the scoring used to be left pretty much to Lederman, with Merchant chiming in a bit every couple of rounds or so if he believed it warranted it, either agreeing or disagreeing with Harold and leaving it at that (until after the final bell, when he might give his scorecard if it was close)...and Lampley, as the lead, basically staying out of the scoring discussion.

But that's completely changed now, and the viewer is now basically getting a running scorecard - and not just from Lederman - during and after every round no matter who is on the broadcast crew.

 

lennox is priceless in there

 

Didn't see the fight but reading this, it sounds like he was trying to box. Katsidis isn't really what I'd call a 'boxer'.

 

What bullshit. Diaz dominated MK and treated him like the bum he is. That was 9-3 type of fight for Diaz and that is my final offer. Katsidis did not win more than three rounds.

 

Good post.

And it compounds because they often act like every round they scored for one guy isn't arguable. Sure, Teddy always has his one even round per fight and sometimes the guys are okay with a split decision, but they rarely say why.

Imo, an announcer giving a score should end up with something like "6 clear rounds for fighter x, 2 clear for fighter y, and 4 that might go either way...so we should expect anything from a draw to a 118-110 for fighter x"

Then...when a judge comes in outside your range, you might have a reason to bitch. Otherwise, shut up. And even then, what I'm describing ignores the fact that what really is worth bitching about are the clear rounds being scored incorrectly, and not the final scores.

 

What does any of this have to do with tonight's fight. Diaz beat the shit out of that bum. I am not weak minded. This was an easy, easy fight to score. Diaz lost the first round and maybe the 8th I think and at best one more. Diaz won 9 rounds clear as day.

 

Rds 1 and 8-12 were all possible katsidis rounds.

 

are you my boy big mike? or some other cat?

 

Honestly, I think you are one of the few decent posters here, but I couldn't disagree with you more. Diaz thumped MK bad. I am very good at being objective when scoring. That is, I don't score who I think won. I score it like an a real judge. I basically try to tell myself what I saw. I can't see Katsidis winning more than three rounds and 7 is an abomination. Katsidis got the shit kicked out of him. He is not a world class fighter and Diaz is. That is the bottom line.

 

Agreed totally. I always thought it would be a great idea if they gave a variety of scores.

Example... There are five clear rounds for fighter A and three clear rounds for fighter B. In my eyes, as a TV judge, fighter B won three of the other four rounds. My score is 114-114. However, the official judges wouldn't be outrageous if they had it between 117-111 for fighter A to 115-113 for fighter B. They could easily add that to the TV graphic.

I know that's an extreme example, and I've been drinking tonight, but I always thought it was a good idea.

 

Both fights were 10 times better than that junk Calderon fight last weekend.

 

:: this is up there with when you had ayala white washing tapia in the rematch

 

Round 8. Yes.
Round 9. Maybe.
Round 10. No way.
Round 11. Unlikely.
Round 12. No way.

Diaz was beating Katsidis easily in rounds 10 and 12. It was a 8-4/9-3 ish fight for Diaz and nothing closer. Diaz landed the clean effective punches, he was the ring general, he had the better defense.

 

I didn't really bother to score properly, but it seemed an 8 to 4 type of fight, Katsidis certainly won no more than 4 rounds.

How on earth did one judge give it to him?

And is his corner mentally disabled? They really thought he won?

Who the fuck is that Smith guy anyway/.

 

I thought Juarez was winning at the time of the stoppage.

 

It's not out of the realm of possibility. He was busting up Barrios all night while Barrios wasn't even phasing him. Something the HBO announcers were completely oblivious to.

They slammed amateur scoring the same telecast they were scoring like amateur judges. Wowing themselves with punchstats and punches thrown.

"Wow, Barrios threw 160 punches that round!"

Who cares, Barrios landed about 5 of them cleanly and ate about 15 hard shots in the process.

 

Yeah good point. We didnt have the HBO commentary team down here, but Barrios was very disappointing imo. He couldve won all the early rounds easily, but it looked like he didnt know whether to come forward and pressure or stick to working from the outside. I was quick literally in shock when I came home and saw Mike in this thread had it 9-1 after 10 for Barrios. Thats way off base imo.

 

I agree w/most everyone here in that Katsidis lost the fight clearly, although I don't think it's worth the time arguing with anyone who had it something like 8-4 for Diaz. Kats worked at an amazing rate, and looked busier than Diaz almost all fight long, so despite his horrible connect rate I could see judges giving him rounds based on how busy he was.

It's too bad Katsidis can't channel his energy and stamina into a more effective gameplan. His corner really did him a disservice by not giving him an unbiased assessment of the fight, and some good advice on how to change his approach. Kats needs intelligent guidance in the ring.

I have always disliked Juan Diaz, and I frankly can't stand the absurd subplots where they show him in some college classroom looking confused with his mouth hanging open and he says he's going to be a lawyer or whatever. I didn't like him crying after the fight he got knocked down in, I can't stand his whole family panicking all fight long at ringside every time he fights, and I hate the fact that he can't punch for crap.

BUT... even I must admit that he is a quality fighter. He is not only busy, but he is effective and generally accurate. He mixes his attack to body/head and has great stamina. At this point I am seeing a lot of improvement in defense as well, and he is getting much better at blocking and slipping punches. At 24 he is an excellent fighter... if ONLY he could learn how to punch...