"This time the outcome will be very different"-Miguel Cotto

I never seen a fighter lose the way Cotto lost and comeback and win a rematch.He took a beating in there and I don't mean just physically.

 

Exactly. Have you even seen the fight Sly? He boxed and moved, at no point did he try to KO marge, or even engage him properly.

 

Isn´t that what he tried the first time. :dunno:

 

You guys seem to forget how easily Cotto was dominating the first half of the fight. He has a real chance in a rematch with a few technical Changes. Let's not start overrating Margarito now.:nono:

 

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If he was dominating the first half of the fight EASILY he wouldn't have gotten his ass kicked so badly the 2nd half. Cotto was winning more rounds through 6, but it wasn't easy at all. Cotto has had stamina issues more than once, so a few technical changes aren't going to help that.

 

I can't see Cotto going into a second fight unafraid of Margarito's return fire. Cotto pretty much hit him with everything he had and Margarito kept coming. That's what I call a spirtual beatdown.

 

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listen to what I mean not what I say!!

 

Cotto's mistake was not CLINCHING enough against Margarito. Cotto would just lay on the ropes and let Margarito whale away at him with both arms when he should have been tying him up the instant Margarito manuevered him there. If he does that, and is less reckless in exchanging with Margarito, I see absolutely no reason he couldn't win a decision. He was taking him to school the first 6 or 7 rounds basically taking it to him and Tony too slow to get off until the relentless pressure started to work for him.


I see it a close fight either way. But I don't see where people get that Margarito has Cotto's number.

Having somebody's number is a Hopkins/Trinidad example where it was pretty one sided very much throughout but Margarito and Cotto was not like that at all.

 

And I could see that happening. I could easily see Marge not getting up for another big fight around this time and losing, but only if Cotto takes a tuneup to get his confidence back a bit.

 

It was running and a big reason of why he got tired. I knew very early his ass was moving to much to not get tired. I guess it was better than the alternative of getting beat up earlier in the fight. :atu:Cotto isn't beating Margarito in a rematch. People can get there hopes up, but the reality is he won't beat Margarito.

 

Indeed, but you seem to be forgetting how badly Cotto gassed, physically and mentally, from the seventh round onwards.

Cotto has always had a stamina issue- even when he is at his best he needs in-round breathers after concerted bursts of effort. Once he started to realise that Marge wasn't being hurt by Cotto's flush shots, his stamina went even more fully than it ever has, and he was out on his feet well before he went down to his knee to take the count.

Cotto CAN beat Marge, but to do so he has not only get over the mental problem of knowing he can't realistically hurt or discourage Marge with his shots but he also has to discover previously unseen reservoirs of stamina, so that he can hit in clusters and move out of range for the full twelve rounds (as he did so well for six).

Kudos to Cotto for stepping back to the mark, but I just can't see it.

MTF

 

He is good enough to beat Margarito. If he fights more aggressive to back up Margarito he could win the fight. If he tries to keep away like last time he will slow down and be KO'd again. Margarito is one of the toughest fighters to ever fight but his skill level is whack.

 

De la Hoya did better against Floyd then Margarito ever would. De la Hoyas defence and handspeed gave Floyd problems. Tony has no defence and has no handspeed.

 

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this is a great point

Cotto could very well go in gun shy.. and all that will do is make him run until he gets sodomized again

I think Cotto's shot would be to box a bit, use the clinch, push off.. bang the body, etc..

Marg might have just made him his bitch though...

 

Good post! I agree.

 

let's not pretend like cotto has ever executed a perfect game plan as if he were ivan calderon. the dude gets hit and hit hard. margarito is going to stop him again.

 

I disagree. Cotto has the talent but he does have to correct a few things. The biggest issue here is Stamina which can be improved with road work. Cotto also has to unleash his body shots that made him who he is today. I have no doubt about a Cotto victory in a rematch with the correct changes. Margarito is very 1 dimensional as Cotto exposed in the first half of the fight. Let's not get it twisted, if it weren't for Cotto getting gassed it would have been relatively easy fight. :bears:

 

i think you got it twisted. cotto got his ass kicked starting in round 7. let's not pretend like he was fighting a perfect fight until the 10th round.

so, cotto getting gassed was his own damn fault? had nothing to do w/ the pressure margarito had put on?

 

marg most likely shits in his mouth again

 

he is talented but he is limited as to what he can do with a fighter like Margarito in front of him. It's not like he will overnight turn into a shoulder rolling, parrying, counter punching fighter he still will largely be in front of Margarito for large stretches and thats where the outcome IMO will be the same.

it's different with each fighter you cannot guarantee that Cotto will have improved stamina with more roadwork. Some fighters do everything in their power to improve their stamina with little or no effect. DLH comes ti mind in so much as he went to the high altitude of Big Bear to try and improve it with no success. Then you have a guy like Toney who hates roadwork yet always seems to have good stamina regardless of weight class.

I think he tried but at the same time didn't want to be in front of Margarito too long. It's also hard to plant and land hard ripping body shots when your opponent is coming at you rather than laying prone on the ropes waiting for left hooks.

Yet that dimension was good enough to be the more talented, more skilled, and the man who fought a good game plan in Cotto.

Like Joony said I think you got it twisted. It wasn't as if Cotto was painting a masterful piece of work right up until he got caught in 11, the fight had swayed heavily in Tony's favor by 7 and you could see the smaller things that Tony was doing (keeping Cotton on his heels, hitting to the body whenever the chance came, digging small uppercuts on the inside) starting to take over the fight.

 

Exactly, some people are just born with better stamina than others. Stamina can certainly improve with training, but everything has their own ceiling, their own maximum stamina capacity, like different size fuel tanks.

Duran for example, even with minimal training had insane stamina.

Hatton used to have good stamina before he went overboard with the guiness and pork pies.

Then there are some fighters like Cotto and De La Hoya that are never going to have good stamina, regardless of the amount of training.

 

I fucking love pork pie.

 

i luv how people are acting like if only Cotto could've kept moving he would've won. that's ridiculous. what else is ridiculous is to attribute his exhaustion solely to his stamina. Margarito was punishing Cotto's body throughout the fight, even in rounds he might have lost. Cotto didn't tire. He was broken down. All the stamina in the world won't prevent that.

 

THe rematch will prove who is right. I'm still convinced Cotto wins the rematch. So we will have to wait and see. I can't wait!




WAR COTTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hammert:

 

It's going to be another sad day for Cotto fans when this rematch happens.

 

if Cotto tries to execute anything like the strategy he employed in the first fight, the result will be no different.

but i think it remains to be seen whether he can have more success fighting at closer quarters, where his hand-speed and shorter arms can be an advantage.

on the other hand, it's difficult to imagine his taking this approach since he seemed utterly unwilling to trade with margarito. rather, he either led, or countered, but never punches with Margarito. if he does he might get stopped even sooner. but he might hurt Margarito this way.

 

Cotto can't go toe to toe with Margarito but I think that's the only choice he has because boxing him didn't work.

 

Cotto is the better fighter but he can't hurt Margarito so he'll never win.