Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez Will Go Fourth In February!

From Michael Marley:

 

Damn, when was the last time a couple of fighters fought each other four times?

Leija-Nelson?

When was the last time it was four fights in a row? Has that ever happened between two world class guys?

 

:doh: I'm guessing they'll go 5th in June too.

It still is obviously a good matchup but they should have fought others in the interim, maybe even on the same card...

 

As good as the fights have been this gets boring. This thing had trilogy written all over it and a very decisive one at that.

Don't like this match-up at all.

 

I'm sure neither guy can make more money fighting anyone else, and they deserve it. Why risk a loss at this point against a lesser fighter? Let them make their money.

 

With that logic, they might as well go on tour WWE style. Cmon man.

They both were enhanced by the trilogy and they need to strike while the iron is hot and a 4th fight just sticks the iron in the snow. Neither will be the same after the trilogy and they won't go on to do better things, especially after this 4th brutal fight.

If Vasquez wins, he's 3-1 and Marquez looks like shit. If Marquez wins, it's 2-2 and they need yet another fight and then they both turn into shit.

 

I think they have already taken too much out of each other. The iron may be hot, but who should they fight? It's hottest if they fight each other.

 

i don't know, you might be alone on this one, steve_dave. The rest of the 122 lb fighters are doing what they can to put themselves in position for title contention - Caballero and Molitor are fighting in November. JuanMa is out there... honestly, I really don't need to go any deeper than that.

They fought each other three times, and if there were nothing else going on in the division, sure fight each other as often as you want. But as crazy at it sounds, the rest of the division is being unfairly frozen out as a result.

They're both already taking off for the rest of the year. Fighting each other in February only means that nobody else gets a shot at the top prize until next summer at the earliest.

Even with two valid FOTY entries and another high honorable mention nominee, three is enough; both need to move on and give the rest of the division a chance.

 

All fair points. I guess Ì'm looking at this one from the fighters perspective.

 

agREED...

Vasquez Emerged VICTORIOUS 2 Out of 3 Times...That's ENOUGH for REED...

As GREAT as this Trilogy was (Greatest Trilogy EVER N REED's Opinion), the Suspense is GONE...


REED:kidcool:

 

This might be the best idea for them, i agree. There's no need to get outboxed by Caballero for less money in case both fighters have taken too much out of themselves. They kinda fight in their own league and maybe other fighters (Juanma...) have surpassed them. There might be a reality check out there, so they wanna make the safe money in a match-up where the loser is also a hero.

From a fan's perspective though i wanna see OTHER match-ups.

 

Decisive. :nono::nono:

Running like a pussy for twelve rounds in a rubbermatch would be decisive. :stir:

 

LOL and it took my one or two seconds to realize that it was a cheapshot...


:crying:

 

Totally disagree. They battered each other three times for little money, and now they are supposed to turn down career-high paydays to give Steve Molitor or Celestino Caballero a shot for maybe 20% of the money. Those two fight over one belt. There are three other champions Lopez, Caballero and Molitor, two interim champions in Cordoba and Nishioka, plus good fighters like Ponce, Kraetingdaenggym, or Gonzalez. Lots of good match-ups to go around.

 

They should take a tune up it doesn't have to be a top 10 fighter.

 

....and this is why Vasquez is no P4P fighter.

 

Not sure what you mean by "little money", so I'll await clarification before responding to that part.

On the rest - I'm not questioning the fighters accepting the fight. Money on the table, of course they're going to grab it. I'm just saying that I'd rather see the 122 lb division move on at the top beyond the two of them fighting each other. And the irony is that you're asking the rest of the division to fight for far less than would be the case for a fight against either Vazquez or Marquez.

I have no problem with anyone insisting that contenders need to keep fighting their way up the ladder. But IMO, Molitor-Caballero should be treated as a final eliminator for first dibs at Vazquez; if they're taking a year off from the 3rd fight (a well-earned rest, mind you), how much time do you think will pass from the 4th fight to the next for the winner - esp. since they're both getting career-high paydays out of such a fight.

 

Showtime has stepped up by bringing Molitor-Caballero to the network...hopefully they do a hard sell on the winner facing the winner of Vazquez-Marquez 4 during both telecasts.

 

Little money in regards to the quality of the trilogy. These little guys have to make every payday count and a 4th fight will probably earn them as much as three other fights would do. The WBC has already established Nishioka as the interim champion, as has the WBA with Cordoba, so both winners Vasquez/Marquez IV and Caballero/Molitor have already a clear path, meanwhile JuanMa can get some title defenses under his wing.

I don´t disagree I want to see these other fights as well, but both fighters are not exactly spring chickens. Just look at Santa Cruz, he took one tune-up and his career-high payday is out of the window. I think they deserve to have a spelling contest, if it provides food for themselves and their family in 15 years.

 

Santa Cruz is a different story, but I do think they've earned the right for another pay day against each other.

I've had the privilege of watching 2/3's of this rivalry from ringside and all three bouts have been competitive and entertaining, the last being an absolute classic, but I also think Vazquez has won the last two pretty clearly (I didn't think there was any controversy about the third...and was surprised and disappointed to hear that it came across that way on television...but then that's more of a criticism of the Showtime crew)...so there really isn't a need for another immediate return affair.

I won't compare it to the overkill of Gatti-Ward III, because this rivalry is far greater in terms of skill and quality, and more competitive overall...but this fight sorta feels like that fight in terms of having already lived up to the hype - and then some - while also establishing superiority in the match-up (and that lies with Vazquez).

 

Look the only reason this fight is happening again is because it's the only fight in the division that can be marketed as a PPV. It's just another chance for the promoters to squeeze the remaining life out of the fighter's, the fans, and the sport of boxing.

 

It seemed to me like Marley's implication was that this would be on Showtime, like their previous bouts.

I know that a fourth bout on ppv had been brought up after their last bout, but I'm not sure that's likely to happen.

We'll see.

 

I welcome this fight. marquez was competitive and he can win a fourth fight. it should be another excellent fight and i'll definitely attend if its in las vegas or l.a. I don't care to see vasquez fight caballero at all.

 

i wanna see juanma in the mix - either against izzy or marquez. juanma is lookin better and better and that explosive ko of de leon shows he's not only skilled, but mean a la tito.

 

I love this fight. The best part is that by the time they fight the 4th fight it will be about a year since the third fight. They need that rest in between.

 

totally ridiculous, so for about the last 2 years, the supposed number one guy and number two guy will both have fought a grand total of one contender. Credit to JoeKing for putting on the WWF analogy,

 

Honestly, midgets are inferior but these two together are fantastic. I am not able to watch them again because of their insignificant size, but I digress. I really think these guys are going to end up dead and I am not looking forward to it. The trilogy eas great but 4 times. Blah.

 

Vazquez' team sent out a press release last night, basically stating that Marley is full of shit.
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This is where boxing drops it again. These guys are awesome fighters. And don't give me that they can't make any coin fighting anyone else. These guys should be fighting other opponents on combined cards. JuanMa, Moliter, and the other champ(can't remember his name, Caballero or something) Unify the division. fight champs above and below. Mexican's would watch it always, and the more times you show them, more and more fans jump on board.

With that said, I'll watch the fourthopcorn:

 

I guess 'different options' is the phrase of the day.

We'll see what exactly Espinoza meant by saying "it’s too quick to say that he will be fighting in February against Marquez for a fourth time."

It doesn't mean a deal won't come.

You have any guess as to the likelihood of a fourth fight coming next?