Hats off to one of the best of all time, as for Pavlik..

I'm no Hopkins groupie, though I am a fan... but what else can you say? With a performance like that, at age 43, against a prime and young top 10 P4P lion can there be any doubt... Hopkins will easily go down as a top 12-15 all time great. And thats not jumping the gun either. I havent seen the fight as of yet, but I didnt give B-Hop a shot in hell, but he proved me and all of us wrong... again! And please, I dont wanna hear a muthafuckin thing about the weight. Pavlik is a HUGE goddamn middleweight who's more a natural super middle as it is.

As for Pav... I'm still a fan, but I'm glad he lost. His hype was getting to be insane, and he was quite overrated. I picked him over Hop cuz I believed Nard was finished, but I never thought he could beat Calz and I still maintain that Kessler would whup his ass.

He can rule 160, cause he's so much bigger than everyone else, and also cause outside of Abraham... 160 has NO threats at all. But whenever he moves up, he's gonna be vunerable. But maybe not to anybody, but like I said... Calz, and Kessler would do a number on him... as would Dawson.

And speaking of Dawson... I think he'd beat Hopkins. But if Nard upset Dawson too.... then wow, I'd no words for his greatness.

 

Just a masterfull performance by Hops..

I hate that after Kelly and company said "it's not what hopkins did.. it's that I couldn't get off for some reason" and his camp said "it was the weight"

Hopkins is just a master and he schooled him... no shame in that

I think Kelly would have looked better if he simply said "what can I say? Hopkins is a master"

 

Funny, because prior to the fight Kelly's camp SWORE that Kelly would be STRONGER at 170 because it was more natural for him. Weight my ass. Pavlik is quite possibly the biggest middleweight in history along side G-man. He's more a natural supermiddle than he is a middle. And its not like the fight was at 175. It was at 170.

 

thank you!

dont give me the weight excuse when you are fighting a career middle (bernard)

 

I was thinking the same thing. The whole thing that Pavlik was saying how he couldn't get off for some reason just made him sound dumb, as it was obvious that the reason was Hopkins to anyone that saw the fight.

 

Muthafuka couldn't get off cause he never had a stationary target. Hopkins kept making him pick up his feet. Not to mention he was timing his jab wit that over hand right. I'll Holla 5000

 

Its ALMOST as pathetic as the Hatton groupies blaming Ricky's loss on the weight.

A younger Hopkins would whup Pavlik's ass at 160, just like Floyd would have whupped Hatton's ass at 140.

 

BTW- I think it was Double L who suggested that Pavlik could beat a prime Roy.

To that I simply say:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

the weight played a big part to how Hopkins fought, you teenyboppers!! :atu:

would still pick Hopkins to win but it would have looked very different, stinky

how many Hopkins fights have you guys seen? he fights differently against big strong guys
and against Pavlik he was campaigning 2 divisions above him for years, so he could let it all on him, just like against Tito

 

If Pavlik had fought the Hopkins that beat Tito, or better yet.. the Hopkins that beat Glenn Johnson at 160, then Jack Loew would have had to jump in to stop B-Hop from killing Kelly.

 

what about the Hopkins that fought Eastman?

 

That was near the tail end of B-Hop's 160 reign when the weight was becoming more a problem for him. But stylewise, even THAT Hopkins would beat Kelly.

 

Dude he also said that Julio Gonzalez would beat Roy as well. I'll Holla 5000

 

dsimon writes:

Pavlik just learned a valuable lesson. First, greatness is not easy, And there are a lot of good guys out there who will not make the grade. Hopkins already made the grade years ago btw.

Second, Hopkins used his brain to find flaws in Kelly to beat him.. period. The truth is that with a seasoned corner and in the old days if Kelley had come up slowly he would have probably had those flaws exposed already... Today there are not many guys who are smart and know the craft well enpough to do what Max Schmeling did to Louis for example.

I honestly think Pavlik is a lot better than that fight and like Louis got picked apart because of a few habits.

Hopkins by his actions saved Kelley's ass and made it into a lesson in life as opposed to a Jeff Lacy beating. Hopkins did not take the kid's heart.

Pavlik, like quite a few of these other kids needs to learn the craft and subtelty. Kelley has good habits up top but his footwork needs work.

 

would he have won the same way he did last night though?


do you honestly believe that it was just making weight that troubled Hopkins against Eastman?? :atu:

 

Bernard Hopkins is a pile of shit. Spending the whole aftermath with this "black fighter" shit. Someone needs to step in and tell him he's a fucking piece of shit.

That said, I swore after the Tarver fight I'd never pick against him again, although I did have Calzaghe, but I called Steve_Dave to tell him saturday that Hopkins would win a decision, because what we watched is the kind of thing I saw.

Against someone with a worse offense, who isn't so negative, Kelly will still look solid. But Hopkins is stink in a can, and his counters deter you, no matter who you are. Apart from Calzaghe in a return match, I wouldn't pick against Hopkins against anyone, even Dawson.

 

Trouble Hopkins?:laughing:Are you fuckin high?

Hopkins shut out Eastbum as well. Just the fight was horrible, but make no mistake. B-Hop won EASILY.

 

of course it was the weight. he beat eastman easily but was scared to take many chances cuz the mother fucker was skelletor at 60 and that's also the reason he couldn't beat taylor more convincingly. he finally moved up and has had a career resurgance.

 

nah, fighters always run, clinch and complain to the ref as a form of dominating their opponent

here's Hopkins the detroyer at 160 when he's against a bum that isn't moving up in weight to fight him http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JqlPY746k2A
observe how weight drained and lacking in energy he is too ::

 

Pavlik was a slow-as-molasses, sloppy and clumsy slob.

And I'm glad he fought someone like Hopkins to make that fact even more glaring.

 

Ahhhh,.. good to be back in the native nest,.. Maxboxing is obviously a pro-Hopkins board because with no retort, I just got banned for telling the truth about the rat,..they couldn't be bothered with me,...:nono: Anyway,... Hopkins groupies please,.. you can't have it both ways,.. it should be more apparent than ever about styles making fights,...look at the situation at welterweight involving Margarito, Williams, Cotto and Quintana?,.. the same applies to Hopkins, Pavlik, Taylor,.. Hopkins may have mastered Pavlik,.. but he's still Jermaine's son,.. he can't pull Taylor's quick counter-punches into the mud,...sorry to piss on the parade with the truth,...

What is also pathetic is the fact that, Hopkins is awarded middleweight achievements while fighting at Light-heavyweight??...WTF?... Hopkins didnt boil down to 160 for this one,.. this does not add to his middleweight legacy,.. THAT, was terminated when Taylor whipped his ass twice ofcourse..:crafty:

 

Well that's to be expected from Hopkins, he's a low-life in every facet of the game, ....it's a pity for him that we all saw that infamous scene of him falling down crying while Calzaghe fucked him up the arse... it really is simple,.. imagine the sheer outrage, if the roles were reversed,..

 

hopkins boiling down to 160 was the only reason the razorback had any legitimacy as an alleged upper echelon prize fighter. facing hopkins at super middleweight means jt becomes a never-was

 

The first fight was close.

Hopkins clearly and decisively beat him in the rematch, IMO. It was subtle for those not paying close attention, though.

What is crafty is the way Hopkins cherry-picks his opponents and invents new weight categories.

 

Yeah it was the weight, ofcourse it was,.. it was also because he was old and shot aswell,.. then he beats Tarver (the greatest victory of his career to date),...he becomes GOD........he pulls Winky up in weight... he retains his status as GOD... he pulls Calzaghe up in weight,....whoops, --- old, shot, past prime,.. he pulls Pavlik up in weight... welcome back GOD..

I guess we've got to therefore, pick and choose Hopkins "prime".. against certain midget, middleweight, mismandatories... .. it's the same old story with Hopkins, Neil,.. :nono:

 

Well Mitch,.. it was enough of a result for Taylor to have people crying that Hopkins was DONE,... remember we all couldn't be bothered with the proposed Roy - Hopkins fight on HBO not long afterwards,... "Blaah,.. who cares,.. they're washed up" ... .. Hopkins has since become the ruler of the universe,.. it's amazing what Jermaine can do..

 

It's a shame the adjustments Calzaghe made during their fight went largely unnoticed and unrecognized.

One thing being those short, half-steps he used so well...and the way he tightened his punches up and beat Hopkins up the middle.

It must have been amazing for some to see the way Hopkins moved late in that fight when his legs and his stamina were nearly spent around the ninth or tenth from Calzaghe.

So many people wanted to blame everything in that fight on age.

 

Shit looked like Hopkins v Trinidad all over. Hopkins toyed with a guy who simply only knows one way.

 

Bernard Hopkins- it's hard to like much about the MAN but as a fighter, he's one of the best to ever lace 'em up. It's a straight toss-up for who is the best of the generation: he or RJJ.

Those people who doubted that Calzaghe would do an absolute number of Pavlik have some serious re-thinking to do: Calzaghe would counter the shit out of Kelly all night long (as I said way back when) and make him look like he did on Saturday: basic, ponderous and one dimensional.

As for Pavlik, well he goes back to 160 and beats what little there is to beat there. I'd still pick him to beat Abraham, but that fight was a 60/40 in my mind before Saturday and that sort of beatdown may have taken some of the sting out of Pavlik over the long term, so that fight would be nothing ike the lock it seemed 12 months ago.

As for the weight issue, on this X has it wrong- there is absolutely no accounting for the imponderables of some fighters just not being as effective at 168 than at 160. For every Hopkins who can carry the jump there are HANDFULS of other's who just can't do it- Benn, Eubanks, McClellan and now Pavlik are clear recent examples of guys who SHOULD have been just as effective at 168 but weren't. You can't just dismiss something like that because 'he walks around at 175'; what does that prove?

These are FACTS- dispute them as you wish, but they are as plain as day.

MTF