Kessler vs Pavlik

This matchup was a hot topic earlier this year, and now I'm bringing it back to life. How many of you STILL think Kelly's one dimensional ass would beat Kessler? Cause I remember the majority picked Kelly. But not me. Kessler would take Pav apart badly, but it'll never happen now since Pav will hide at 160 from now til forever.

I'm not saying Kessler is as great as Hopkins, but he has the ability to do to Pav exactly what Hop did, but worse.

I think Kessler-Pavlik would look like Kessler-Andrade, only differance being unlike Andrade.... Pav's chin wouldnt hold up all night.

 

Pavlik would kill Kessler

just cuz Bernard schooled his ass... doesn't mean Jack... Bernard is a master..

Kessler is a poor man's Pavlik.. Pav would stop him in 8

 

:::::: This statement makes me question if you've even seen Kessler fight.

Watch Kessler-Andrade. If you've EVER seen Kelly look that quick, and fluid before, please lemme know.

Kessler is no speed demon, but against Pavlik... his speed would look like Roy, Dawson, and Mel Taylor rolled into one.

 

Anyone who would suggest Pavlik or Miranda would beat Kessler is crazy.

 

kessler vs hopkins is what you guys should be pondering.

 

Yeah your right. I think thats pretty much a pick em. Maybe a slight edge to B-Hop, but theres NO WAY Hop would shut Kessler out like he did Kelly.

Its pretty clear that Dawson and Calz are the class from 160-175 right now.

Kelly is the 5th best fighter in those divisions.

 

pavlik shouldve never went up 10lbs to take this fight. he and arum let hbo/gb strong arm them into taking that bullshit fight.

 

Kessler would ruin Pavlik. Too technical.

 

Idt the weight had anythin to do with why he lost, but I do know that he'd still be undefeated right now had he fought Tall Paul instead.

 

Kessler,.. unfortunately,.. is 1 dimensional aswell,.. he is too loyal to his European style, and that is how Calzaghe weaved around him with little resistance,.. Kessler's uppercut, was a nice piece of improvisation, but he's still too upright,.. he's not loose enough,.. he doesn't move his head, crouch or fight on the inside,.. ..so he'll always be limited UNLESS he can broaden and revise his style, and stop the strict robotnics, he's fast and fluid enough to do so.

 

What does all that have to do with him beating Pavlik?

 

I guess,.. I'm just going AGAINST the notion that it would be a comfortable victory for Kessler when,.. he's almost as predictable as Pavlik... I'd pick Kessler,..but not by a kneejerk sensationalist shut-out..

 

I don't see a shut out. Pavlik's chances at a stoppage would be better than they were against Hopkins, surely.

But Kessler is so much lighter on his feet than Pavlik.

Pavlik's foot movement doesn't look as bad against smaller middleweights, where his reach can make up more for his footspeed.

 

I know you in particular don't see that sensationalist shut-out,.. but XPLOSIVE :crafty: is notorious,..when it comes to mythical matchups, he has that bazerk trait of flinging himself extremely hard every which way to the extent where he trips over the rationality trap.

 

Pavlik was incredibly disappointing, he looked like shit, and Nard looked incredible.

But make no mistake X - Kessler is a basic fighter. He is quicker than Pavlik, but he is not versatile, and he is not adaptable, just watch the Calzaghe fight.

Hopkins would decisively beat Kessler too. Not as easily as he did Pavlik, because Kessler IS quicker, but Kessler is too basic, and too patient, and he too would fall into Nard's trap and get decisioned clearly.

 

I picked Kessler last time and I would pick him again now- he is very metronomic in style but he does everything Pavlik does but a little better.

I said after the second Talyor fight that Pavlik's style didn't seem to cope well with a step up in weight. Kelly should leave 168 and Kessler well alone.

MTF

 

How you gonna cite the Calz fight as proof Kessler isnt adaptable, when Hopkins wasnt able to adjust to Calz either.

And to the fool Kauki, this is no knee jerk reaction. Ive been saying for quite some time I think Kessler would convincingly beat Kelly.

 

DAMN!!

You really don't know how to analyze styles.

I would have picked Kessler too and still do...but you blow with the wind somewhat X...(you're still my boy though).


You had picked this "one dimensional" guy to beat Hopkins and now you're saying Kessler will do the same thing as Hokins did?

Kessler wins..BECAUSE..their styles and abilities are virtually identical...but Kessler is tougher.

 

I picked this one dimensional guy to beat Hopkins because I believed Nard was washed up.

You get one prediction right, now you believe you're a master at analyzing styles.

Thier abilities are NOT indentical. Kessler is more talented, more skilled, and a better thinker. Kessler lost to Calz, but he was competitive and gave a good account of himself. Pavlik just got shut out and was made to look inept for 12 straight rounds.

 

ONE prediction?

My prediction record for the last two years is about 95%. I get ONE FIGHT WRONG (Taylor-Pavlik) and you guys refuse to forget it.

 

Sly is the man for sure! Dude knows more than just boxing. He can pick winners in other sports like he did at Wimby AND U.S Open. :bears:

 

you guys suckin on kessler's dick.. he is so over-rated

 

Maybe one day when Kessler decides he wants to fight guys who we have heard of or guys he hasn't already beat this fight can become a reality.

Who is Kessler fighting next again?

 

I've always thought that Kessler would beat Pavlik rather easily, but they're far from being virtually identical. Pavlik is a come forward basic 1-2 puncher, Kessler is way more light on his feet and he mixes up way more than Pavlik, I agree that his main weapon is the 1-2, which is faster than Pavlik's, but he also throws some nice hooks and has a hell of an uppercut. I also think he has a better defense than Pavlik. Kessler may be one dimensional, but even then, he's more versatile than Pavlik and more importantly, I don't think Pavlik would be able to withstand his power for 12, he'll either go into a shell or simply get knocked out.

I think Kessler's getting underrated on this site.

 

And Pavlik is getting shit on for losing one fight to an all time great. The guy is still the best fighter at 160.


So who is Kessler fighting again? Who did he beat that is so impressive? Andrade?

 

The minute a fighter comes from europe, you automatically label him a bum LOK. If Mikkel Kessler's name was Micheal (Insert american name here) you'd be way less critical with him, he's a hell of a fighter IMO.

 

What did he do to be so great though? That's what I don't get about the Kessler love around here.

 

I don't know who Kessler is fighting next, and it has little to do with my analysis. I've always been convinced Kessler would beat Pavlik, and saturday night's fight confirmed what I thought about Pavlik, he's a very basic fighter. It doesn't mean he isn't good though, he just has 1 way of fighting and I don't think it would lead him to a victory against Kessler. My analysis' based on how Kessler's fighting, not who he has beaten, even though he has an ok resume, I'm not claiming he's an all time great or anything, I just think he has what it takes to beat Pavlik.

 

Fair enough, I just don't see it. His claim to fame is looking decent for a few rounds before getting dominated by Calzaghe.

 

I agree that he may be somewhat overrated and one dimensional at present, with his typically incompetant European coaches,.. but he's equipped with tremendous physical traits that can be used to transform him into a more formidable fighter,... like in the Andrade fight,.. where he would rapid fire 7 punch combinations,... not many fighters can pull that many punches off with the explosive speed, accuracy, and fluid ease of which he was able to do it, and it's spectacular things like that which is suggestive that perhaps he's a rough diamond who could be a great fighter if he can be adequately taught to impliment what he naturally possesses, in the most efficient way possible.