Oscar doesn't look in good shape

I saw a few comments comparing what Calderon apparently did to Oscar last year and what Pacquaio might be able to do because of that. ::

 

Yeah Manny is SOOOOOOOO overrated that 80-90 percent of people are picking ODLH to win. :notallthere:

 

DLH would most likely promote, or at least co-promote, Pacquiao-Hatton or Mayweather-Pacquiao anyway. So it's not like DLH has to have a pre-arranged agreement with Pacquiao in order to make money off of him in the future.

 

I think he's over-rated outside the context of the DLH fight.

 

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I guess if you want to try to cherry pick through his resume like you can any fighter then yes he is. Actually every good fighter is called overrated it seems by 1 person or another. Personally I don't think outside of the Phillipines that Pac is overrated at all. I mean a guy as exciting as he is can't really draw any special numbers and most people don't even know who the hell he is. How is that overrated especially considering his resume?

 

I guess it's the fact that he was basically given the #1 P4P slot by most the media after Floyd's retirement.

 

Well, so what? SOMEONE had to get that spot. Should it be like the IBF and just leave it vacant?

Manny is as good a choice for the #1 fighte rin the sport as anyone. I swear to god, for as much hype as he gets, he's equally under appreciated in other spots. He is a dead set first ballot HOF'er and has done thing sin the sport that NO fighter in history has and I doubt ever will again.

 

Give that he was arguably out-boxed his last fight, it seemed a questionable choice.

 

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He won a close fight over another PFP fighter. Hardly something he should have been penalized for.

 

Arguably is exactly right. It's arguable whether or not that actually happened. Considering he had his hand raised in a fight against one of the very best in the sport, it stands to reason that he's every bit as worthy as the guy who also "arguably got outboxed in his last fight" (prior to a couple of weekends ago).

I don't get it. Why bitch about a mythical title, where its clear there is nothing clear.

 

stinger futch is one gullible chap if he believes the poppycock being fed to him about calderon "staggering" delahoya repeatedly ::

 

I agree that it's arguable...which is why I used the word.

There was enough debate about the fight and the result to leave it open to questioning....but using the "hand raised" argument doesn't really do much, for me, when discussing this sport.

If you want to claim Calzaghe was outboxed his last fight, that's a much harder sell...both to me, and it would seem most people who watched the fight.

I watched the Hopkins fight in the arena and again on television, and both times I had it for Calzaghe, though I never saw it as a landslide.

There were some media in attendance that had it for Hopkins, and there are some on here - and elsewhere - that had it for Hopkins, but I haven't seen near the same numbers as had Marquez beating Pacquiao.

Edited for Tam's appeasement.

 

Your post was good, but that last sentence is infuriating.

 

Oh, you mean that "Love Tap" that Bernard hit him with?

If Oscar were really hurt that bad, he wouldn't have had the strength to pound on the canvas and run around making faces like he was mad at himself.

If it were a legit shot, he would have been paralyzed as Willie Dorrin was when Gatti hit him in the side and he couldn't move or rise from the canvas, or like Kermit Cintron was when Margarito stopped him with a shot to the side, he couldn't rise, that is how I know Oscar laid down.

 

I tend to agree with much of what you've said in this thread...

Oscar's never been a stamina guy...couple that with being at a weight he hasn't made in almost 10 years. certainly sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Had a convo with a friend of mine the other day and he made a great point about older fighters having a tendency to overtrain. They're so concerned with how they look and making weight that they leave their fight in the gym.

Oscar claims to be 146...I hope for his sake he's lying/playing head games. If he's that low, he's certainly not eating correctly and he's not getting the nourishment his body needs.

Couple that with a tendency to fade...like I said in another thread...if Oscar's throwing 30-40 jabs (not punches...JABS) per round, by round six it'll be like round 13 of Robinson-Maxim.

Lastly, I always thought it was the consensus that Oscar took a dive against Hopkins. Manny Stewart was pretty damn funny...he knew it wasn't a great shot and had to catch himself when wanting to call bullshit.

The "staggering" of Oscar by Calderon...don't believe that for a second. Calderon doesn't weigh enough to knock Oscar off balance if he accidentally stepped on his foot. With this line of thinking..Calderon is a better puncher pound for pound than Floyd...Floyd clipped Oscar on the chin without headgear and didn't move him.

 

pacquiao isn't all that elusive. even david diaz shook him with a jab at one point. when oscar lands his hook or even jab, pac will feel it for sure.

stamina won't be an issue.

 

which is why Oscar needs to get him early.

 

i don't want to sound like overrating manny, but i got a feeling this will be a very interesting fight in the sense that people will be in for a great surprise again and manny will be very competetive in this fight. seeing oscar on tv and the way manny has bulked up and still maintaining the speed as his handlers are claiming, i wouldn't be surprised manny pulling this one off.

 

Wow, you and I really have two separate recollections - Karl was one of the first to throw Oscar under the bus.

 

gimme a break dude! Manny can get kod in the first round against Oscar and you would still claim he is the fighter of the year.

just like two years ago when all his oponents were coming off losses. fucking ridiculous.

Manny is a good fighter. Overrated doesn't mean he sucks in case you didn't know.

 

I think you missed his point - being that he can't be that overrated, seeing as almost everyone here is picking Oscar.

 

What a dumb post. I barely even post about Pacquiao except when posting towards you. For some reason you are always obsessed with talking shit about him. Like it or not your obsession isn't going to change the 1-0-1 scoreboard. Like I said outside of the Phillipines Pacquiao is not overrated. He's rated just right. Manny is a good fighter? Shit you can't even get that right.

 

Ill be damn if that doesn't look like a hung over George Lopez on the far right in that picture.

 

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