Is Hatton invincibe #140?

Based on:

- Having never lost at the weight in 40-odd fights?
- Having never really looked like ever losing in any of those fights
- Being in clear decline and still he would start as favourite against any other fighter in the division you could care to name

As for this resume business:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but no-one else at 140 is exactly jumping off the page with a resume bursting with talent. I mean, Bradely MIGHT beat Hatton, but only because Hatton has declined. A few years ago, he woul have lost in one-sided fashion.

On the subject of Bradley, who is the consensus 'most likely' pretender to Hatton at 140, remind me again who exactly he beat to gain this exhalted position.

Thats right- Junior bloody Witter... :cheer:

The dominant guy at 140 was Tszyu. Hatton beat him and hasn't lost since at the weight. No-one else has emerged from the pack to really contend his No.1 status, so why shouldn't he be considered dominant?

I mean, most people (bar double L or similar sorts) wouldn't try to argue that Calzaghe isn't 'dominant' at 168, but he only really beat three guys anyone might have considered elite at some stage or other- Eubanks (declined badly), Lacy (exposed) and Kessler (his best win by miles). Compare that to Hatton; Tszyu (declined), Castillo (dead), Maussa (exposed and B-Level anyway), Urango (B-level at best) and Paulie (flashy mook beaten easily by a declined Ricky).

Really, I don't see there being THAT much difference...

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Another bold Zab prediction, huh?



"I'll never let go, Zab. I'll never let go!"

 

hatton better hope that oscar beats pac without suffering any injuries or cuts. i think that's a very winnable fight for hatton if he can somehow survive the first 5/6 rounds.

140 division is full of decent no name fighters. not sure if oscar can shed enough pounds to meet at a catchweight, but hatton would be foolish not to move up in weight for the biggest payday of his career.

 

Who has he fought in those 40-odd fights outside of Tszyu? (And that win's a bit dated at this point.)

Urango?
Malignaggi?
Maussa?
Castillo?

Not exactly resume-filling stuff there.

It takes more wins over top fighters than that for me to consider a fighter dominant at a weight.

He's the champ at the weight based on one win...and he hasn't defended that "title" against many top challengers.

 

Who else is there, though? There aren't any real 'top fighters' to fill out a resume at 140, because as said elsewhere, it is chock full of decent no-names and absolutely sparse in terms of 'top fighters'...

He probably should have fought Witter, but beyond that, really, who else should he have fought? Who are these 'top challengers'? :dunno:

(In light of the fact that the answer to this rhetorical question is 'there is no-one', you can consider him 'dominant at 140)

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You still have to at least make an attempt to clear a division out.

Hatton hasn't done that to my eyes.

 

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Taking away the last 18 months on the grounds that he was busy fucking about at 147 for money and then rebuilding after losing in spectacular fashion...

...Who, two to three years ago (from after the Tszyu fight), should Hatton have been fighting to clear out the division? Except Junior Witter, maybe?

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Malignaggi...Bradley...Bailey...Kotelnik..Torres..Holt...these guys won't make HATTON a TON of money..but they are top fighters in his division that he still hasn't face...he can fight them as he waits for Pacquiao/Marquez/Baby Diaz..etc..to move up...

Or he can move up himself again..and get eaten by the sharks at 147...Hatton vs. Bradley in the UK would be a good sell...and both network would love to carry it..

 

Judah is funny from a fan perspective. His fans literally think he can beat anyone despite him never actually beating anyone.

It's like they have a long list of opponents and they won't be happy until he's beaten by each of them.

 

So the dominant 140-pounder "was busy fucking about at 147"?

That's how to prove dominance at a weight?

 

When was the last time Hatton fought "the next best" guy in his division? Has he ever?

 

It is perhaps a reflection of a weak division more than anything else....since he beat Tszyu (3 and a half years ago), even when he hasn't been at his best, he hasn't come close to losing at 140....Maussa, Urango and Mallignaggi (effectively) were all belt holders and he dealt with them with relative ease

 

Outside of Tszyu (and he faced no live bodies prior to that), he has picked off the weakest, evidently transient belt holders at 140, a shot 135Iber, and went even terms with a very average 147Ib titlist..he's been treading water, and now he's pulling an RJ, claiming that he cant "get up" for the smaller name 140Ibers (i.e. the top contenders for the crown), don't like it at all

 

No he's not. I think Bradley can beat him. Holt would have an outside chance of doing it also.

 

funny thread.....Lazcano had Hatton hurt had it not been for the ref stopping the action he mighta score a knockdown..and got know what else...

 

http://www.fightnews.com/rankings2.htm

look down that list.....who is a clearer #1 in their respective division than Ricky?....Chris John at feather? (another very weak division)....Calderon?......i didn't say Hatton was the most dominant champion (although i have edged slightly closer to this view if anything )....he is certainly one of them

 

Kelly Pavlik
Joe Calzaghe
Wlad Klitschko
Ivan Calderon

 

good point. my guess is Hatton's getting staggered by the likes of Lazcano was the impetus for his getting a new trainer.

Lazcano "does" hit hard though.

but if you're point is what i think it is, the fact that he could've been stopped by Lazcano had it not been for his shoe-laces would suggest he's not invincible at 140 - not by a long shot.

 

Pavlik....just lost every round to a 43 year old former middleweight....beaten no other belt holders at middleweight.....Abraham a solid #2 (whereas Bradley has only recently emmerged)

Wlad Klitschko......Vitali was on top, and now he is back the #1 is disputable....compare the brothers meetings with Sam Peters....plus Klitschko is not undefeated at heavyweight and has often looked frail

Calzaghe......only 2 fights in the division....Chad Dawson at this stage is a more credible rival than Bradley is to Hatton

Calderon.....yep, as i said....he has a strong case, it is hard for me to call between him and Hatton cos my knowledge of the division is pretty poor....but does he hold a victory as significant as Ricky's over Tszyu?

 

He lost @ 175. Kinda like Hatton did before moving back down to fight Ngoudjo's bitch and Lazcan't. PS: According to most, Abraham, only just emerged himself, seeing as most jokers thought Miranda would win the rematch.

Wlad is undoubtedly the man there. No question about it. Vitali beat a guy Wlad already did. There is no question.

Calzaghe beat the divisions champion. Dawson has no claim.

 

yes..hatton is not incincible at 140...Malignaggi was hitting him with a few punches coming in...but he punches like a girl so Hatton didn't feel 'em so he had nothing to worry about..

Hatton should fight Bradley next..or the winner of Holt vs. Torres...

 

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....so let's get this straight....you think all these guys are more dominant than Hatton?....if so, your logic is pretty fucked

 

Without any doubt whatsoever.

 

You forget Judah could not beat baldimor

 

Judah should go on a diet and move back down to 140. There's not one guy there except Torres who I think he couldn't beat there.

 

Hatton is a one-handed fighter...he's not invincible

Malignaggi is his 2nd best win



a Judah fight would be interesting, i'd probably pick Hatton...but Judah can load up with his left hand to counter Hatton's wide lunging hooks

 

You seriously think that Calzaghe is the dominant champion at 175? Based on what, beating Hopkins?

How do you become a dominant champion in a division where you have had two fights in total incorporating no title fights, one worthwhile fight and one exhibition fight with a shot to ribbons former great?

Calzaghe is/was dominant at 168, sure. But at 175? There is no way on earth Joe is more dominant there than Hatton has been at 140 for the last few years.

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He forgot that Judah is dogshit...

So did this genius...

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Judah ko's guys at 140 with ease.