That, my friends, is a fixed fight

He knows fuck all if he thinks that much money was placed and the lines moved another direction. Just like you... stupid enough to believe that shit


@Ron - do u even make money with your betting and gambling?

 

I'm sure the people and accounts that Oscar used to pull off this fix are lock-tight and won't raise any suspicions. And I'm sure Oscar really needs to put his life at risk because of mythical gambling debts.

Or maybe Oscar just got his ass kicked. I'm not sure.

 

What would a fighter do if he wanted to throw a fight? How would it look?

Lets forget about tonight for a second and think about how a fixed fight would look on TV.

Lets just say I was a fighter for a minute.

OK-I have 30 million in markers out at various casinos throughout the world. I have massive alimony and child support payments due every month. I started a business during one of the worst recessions in history.

A plan comes together where if I throw a fight, I could ease all of these problems in one fell swoop. As an added bonus, the other guy is paying 3-2 on my money. WOW what a deal. And its paying almost 3-2 if i could do it under 9 rounds.

AND I could STILL emerge from this fiasco and make another 5-10 million dollar payday. And WTF I can do it against a guy who everyone acknowledges is a great fighter.

OK Im in.

But theres one small problem. The guy is half my size.

First of all. Since I dont wanna get caught obviously, we have to make it look like an even fight, so Im gonna make myslef look as small as I could possibly get. EVEN BETTER how about the other guy comes in at a weight EVEN BIGGER THAN ME! PERFECT! Damn Im smart. This is gonna be easy.

Wait a second, but I dont wanna get knocke out because my wife and kids and alot of other hot chicks are gonna be watching, so hmmmmmmmm. I'll figure out a way to quit on my stool because the phantom knockout punches are SO DAMN hard to fake and alot could go wrong with that. (made myself chuckle with that one hehe). OK I'll just fight normal for awhile and then I'll just stand there until he beats me up so bad that my corner will stop it or if the try to make me fight the 9th and 10th, I'll just quit.

When do we start camp?

 

..and still you bet on Oscar. Not very smart.

 

WTF?!?!? The price on Oscar dropped like a rock. Everybody in town had Manny.The line for manny dropped 60 cents on the dollar. What am I missing here?

 

Are you on an ignoring good arguments to make up more bullshit trip or something?


Know Vegas...

 

You might be surprised on what people will do when faced with the prospect of repurcussions from unpaid gambling debts. You cant just go to the cops sir.

But that is pure speculation. All this thread is about are all of the suspicious things I saw leading up to and during this farce.

 

that the under line didn't move or even dropped slightly, too thus making your whole 9.5 rounds i wanna get KOed argument pointless. Plus if he just wanna throw the fight than definitely on points and not by getting his face smashed like that.

 

Well it looked like he was trying to lose the Sturm fight on purpose and the judges gave it to him anyway. You can never trust those damn judges.

 

you have no point

oscar is a documented megamillionaire.

over 200 million in assets.

he is not in debt, he started a business at a "bad time" and is getting over 40 million for one fight? if over 10 million was bet on this fight by one or even 5 people (which would be flagged certainly in vegas) it would be known almost immediately.

he threw punches with bad intentions and couldnt hit anything.

pacquiao is too fast/good for him now.

why take the credit away.

boxing doesnt need losers like who trying to drag its name down, everytime one of your guys loses you post stupid shit.

the only people who are gonna even slightly agree with you are people who said pacquiao had NO chance.and if more people bet manny than oscar he would be the favorite you stupid motherfucker.

if dlh's eye wasnt so fucked up they never wouldve stopped it. or was that make-up?

if someone is faster than you and has pop you dont just go all out...sometimes when you're beat, you're beat. pacquiao was too good for dlh (and morales)

period.

 

how much did you lose tonight?

 

Riiight... he has 5-6 million on basically illegal bets since he is included in the fight but can't afford to pay the judges... you're a lil laughable in this topic...

 

There could be any number of reasons of WHY he did what he did. IM just saying the fight by Oscar was not a legitimate effort in my eyes. It looked like he was trying to lose.

Why????? No one will ever know and to criticize someone else's speculations is fruitless.

Why was JFK killed???? It is not publicly known, but we DO know that something other than the official version went down that day. Same thing here.

Care to speculate on why he didnt weigh in at 147 and come in at 155 as he did during his prime? its all speculation but the fact remains that the weight issue is a head-scratcher.

 

I lost $3200 straight and $300 in prop bets.

 

has there ever been a legit wrong pick by you??

dlh got whipped by a better man, and if you put money on him and lost oh well.

you should know this as a gambler.

 

But WHY give up the size advantage? WHY stand there and offer no resistance to a beating? WHY no holding when hurt? WHY no left hook? WHY so many shady occurences throughout your career?

I mean the guy has SIX disputed decisions and now two strange KOby in his career. This is exactly why boxing is dead.

 

Not wanting to look like the bigger man beating up on the smaller man seems much more understandable to me. He fucked himself over with it, no doubt though.


And speculating like that is just as fruitless as criticizing it if we'll never know anyways. And btw what is the official version of why JFK was killed?

 

Maybe his legs were gone? Maybe he dropped weight and had nothing? Maybe he was fazed when facing a fighter twie as fast as him, whom he couldnt hit in return. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

 

After watching the 7th, I got to say that indeed, DLH was supspiciously inactive, he was obviously the stronger fighter but never even tried to assert it. Maybe the weight loss affected him a lot, maybe he turned old overnight, but whatever the case, that wasn't the ODLH we know.

 

I pick wrong all the time, I never said i dont. However in this instance, the mostly boxing savvy posters here thought Oscar was by far the better man head to head.

What Im saying here is that to me its like Stephen Curry played Kobe bryant in a 1on1 game and beat him 20-0. Somethings not right there.

 

We've never seen DLH take a beating like that though.
Pac-man beat him to the body brutally. I think that's why he was so passive. He couldn't bloody move!
And whenever he tried anything offensive, he copped it again. I just think he got beat up.

 

But thing is, he destroyed pretty much all the possible future earnings he could have made with a win, so unless Pac by stoppage odd's were very high ( and they should be ), he had no incentive to throw the fight. But fuck, even mediocre David Diaz did a lot better than Oscar, something was definitively wrong, Pac was so much smaller than him and ODLH has a good chin, yet it seems every glancing blow shook him.

 

The official version is that a nut who had previously renounced his American citizenship and became a Russian citizen shot him from the 6th floor of the Texas school book depository using a manual bolt action rifle.

 

Every opponent of Manny's entire career did better than that. Oscar did NOTHING but stand there and flick a few weak jabs out there.

 

Any speculation on possible incentives he would have are purely for your enjoyment. I just want to bring to everyones attention that this fight is what a fixed fight would look like. Whether THIS FIGHT was fixed or not will probably never be known..

I am inclined to believe that it was and thats my personal choice.


And to deny that boxing matches are sometimes fixed is flat out naive.

 

I agree, fixed fights do happens but everyone someone throws out the possibility of a fight being fixed, he gets ridiculed. I don't have a firm opinion on wheter this particular fight was fixed, I'll have to watch it entirely before making my opinion, but indeed, watching some of the rounds, a fix is definitively a possibility imo.

 

Even before you watch it, ask yourself why a fighter would give up his huge size advantage. Why he put on only 3 lbs after the weigh in. During his reign at Welter he weighed in at a perfect 147 every time and put on 7-8 lbs for the fight. In this fight he weighs in at 145 and is 148 for the fight?

Was he not trying to utilize every advantage to win?

WHY didnt he throw any power shots from round 4 onward?

WHY did he let Manny walk him down?

WHY did he sometimes follow Manny around without jabbing?

WHY did he get hit FLUSH with punch after punch?

WHY did he offer ZERO resistance when doctors were in his corner after the last few rounds?

 

I just don't see Oscar taking such a bad beating like that just to fix a fight. Especially when hes a multimillionaire with the most successful promotional company in boxing. It isnt Oscars style. This was the worst beatdown he's ever taken.

 

My speculation would be that it's because he can't drop and regain weight the way he could in his prime.

 

what a stupid post