Haye to take on.......VITALI!

.....and there i was thinking that was a 1 dimensional smilie

 

Really,...imo, this is the better Klit to fight for Haye. Vitaly has been inactive while Wlad has been active.

I understand that Wlad has the weaker chin and is not as tough as Vitaly, but he is far faster, far more athletic and far the better offensive fighter.

I still think that this is too soon for Haye. What is the hurry??

He should fight 3 fights....against increasingly better competition to get a title shot imo. Not just because THAT is justice....but also because it would benefit Haye and his chances.

Right now I have to go with Vitaly because of the size differance....and because Haye hasn't got any real Heavyweight experience.

 

Haye will do better than Peter did but he may not last as long.

 

Sam Peter sucks balls.

Cooney would have killed Peter.......and Cooney sucked.

 

dsimon writes:

No sir Cooney did not suck. Peter sucks yes and Cooney in his day would eat Peter for lunch. Cooney just ran into a gentleman named Holmes, you may have heard of him? :kidcool:

Your comments about Vitalie and Vlad are original E but.... Vlad is not really any better. I wouldn't say he is faster or more athletic...Its hard to guage. Vitalie just does not rely on it like his brother. They both are big and can punch.

Haye has to step up E... I hear you about the prognosis but he is right to push it... If he looks good against one of the KLits he makes a statement and he won't look good against any of the good boxers right now anyhow... he has to win big against one of the big boys in spectacular Brewster type fashion.

Frankly the kid reminds me of Brewster. Lamont at his best could beat a Klit but would never have beat a guy who can outnbox him.

The way I see it is that his shot is not ideal being against the wrong Klit but its still his shot and if he can deck Vitalie something will happen... I don't think Vitalie falls like Vlad, but I think if Haye makes a statement then he is in the mix and earns other opportunities.

 

Im just happy the fight is being made. We get a chane to see what Haye is made of. Either he wins and proves us all wrong or he loses and shuts the fuck up and runs back to Britain with his tail between his legs. Either way, the end game is approaching and its a good thing for boxing.

 

No arguments here.

 

It is?

At this point of their careers?

 

dsimon writes:

How exactly can you guage that Miiiiiitchchhchellll? they have similar punch combos, KO percentages, sizes & builds, and paces. Vlad's jab is better Vitali has a better chin. What makes anyone of them more athletic exactly? and being that we have not seen them in a ring against each other what is your measure of speed? Vitalie was on his toes the whole Peter fight.... Vlad has never been on his toes an entire round :nono:

 

dsimon writes:

figures... to quote the dean in animal house "being fat and stupid is no way to go through life son."

 

YES sir........Cooney did suck. He never beat anyone of note.....and in his biggest fights, he failed miserably.

 

You think Peter is better than Cooney. That's funny. Just as funny as your bitch ass accent over curry breath.

 

I really don't understand how people see so few contrasts between the two.

"similar punch combos, KO percentages, sizes & builds, and paces" seems a very broad brush.

Vitali was bringing his hands up from below his waist at times to punch against Peter...his jab isn't nearly the same weapon that Wladimir's is and he leads with hooks far more than Wladimir does.

Wladimir doesn't trust his chin enough to let his hands fall that far. He keeps his hands up more, throws a busier, straighter jab, is more precise hooks and right hands. Vitali roundhouses his punches more, which also means he throws from more angles.

Boxing speed can be deceptive, because technique can determine the length/time it takes for a punch to land, but Wladimir's punches are quicker in that they're shorter, they take much less time...in part because his hand position.

Vitali's footwork looked visibly slowed from when he retired, though his base looks stronger/sturdier (which is why I'm hoping you can define "on his toes" for me).

 

Peter beat James Toney...that makes him better than most heavyweights in history.

 

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Wasn't Juan Carlos Gomez supposed to be Vitali's mandatory?:dunno: Maybe he will fight for an interim trinket now..

 

dsimon writes:

Cooney fought against some fighters of some repute...He had skills.

 

dsimon writes:

Nope sure don't fat & stupid.

 

Cooney Never BEAT Anyone of Repute, Unless U're Counting GERIATRIC Versions of Norton, Young & Lyle...



REED:mj:

 

dsimon writes:

You make much todo about nothing. Yes Vitali sometimes holds the hands lower becasue he is more confidant... he used the jab plenty against Peter, just as Vlad does... Vitali uses very few angles... he uses the same basic Europ combos that his brother does. Your thesis about punches is correct but simply does not apply to the comparison at hand. Both guys get by on strenght size and reach.

 

dsimon writes:

The geriatric version of those guys is better than Peter's wins... Cooney beat some sly dogs.. Jimmy Young was a lot better than people giv ehim credit for when he wasn't trying to live outside the ropes. Cooney would beat Peter thats for sure!

Who has Peter beat that is better? Jameel "wear heels with that skirt" Mcline?

 

people saying Vitali was troubled by Byrd, didn't watch the fight.

Vitali will crucify David Haye. I applaud Haye's balls, and am sad for his loss.

 

Cooney may have been garbage, but at least he gave it his all in the biggest fight of his life unlike some of the jokers we have now. Guy's like Thompson and Ibragimov who stink out the joint in the opportunitie of their life and look for a place to fall once the going get "tough" are really hard to respect, and these were 2 guy's I used to like. I'm far from a Vitaly fan and there's a lot to hate about his cherry picking, but at least, when it was time for him to step up for his big chance, he fought like a lion.

 

You're crazy if you think Vitaly wasn't troubled by Byrd, maybe you were too awed by Vitaly hot body to notice Byrd made him very uncomfortable.

 

Lyle, Norton & Young had NATHAN Left when Cooney Fought them, DSimes....NATHAN...

Shit, Jeremy Williams was ARGUABLY BETTER than the Versions of those Guys that Cooney Fought...James Toney CERTAINLY Was...Ditto for McCline....



REED:mj:

 

how is pitching a near shutout struggling?

 

No shit. Most 6'6-6'7 heavyweights do.

But if they weren't brothers they wouldn't be thought to be nearly so similar...(aside from the chin/toughness contrast).

 

I agree, I fail to see the similitude between Vitaly and Wlad style, they are very different imo.

 

Vitali counter-punches,.. Wlad doesnt, this is what makes Vitali the better fighter.

As for the fight,.. aloooot of british bastards deserve what is coming to them, the same way Puerto Rico deserved that Hopkins - Trinidad beatdown :crafty:.

 

dsimon writes:

Junior your a smart kid... what options does Haye have? :dunno: Stylistically his best bet... period! is Vlad. He was made to push all Vlad's buttons, as he is a pressur, puncher, and a fast starter. So they throw Vitalie at him who is a little more of a fast starter, a little less chinny and has on the averge more consistancy than his brother.

Thing is can Haye really turn this fight down?