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The WWE is taking over the world!!!! :hammert: This is great. Pro Wrestling is taking an enormous stinky sh*t on the integrity of MMA.
Wow! 1 huge punch from Lashley tore this guy's face apart, what a crazy gash! Amazing! Lashley has arrived! Go WWE!!!! F*ck up those UFC fags! We know Dana is watching. What's bigger than Brock vs Lashley in the UFC cage? 2 former WWE world champions! This is f*cking blockbuster ppv written all over it. :bears:
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1 year should suffice. He's already got the extensive amateur wrestling background. Takedowns will be the forte of his game much like Lesnar's. Except I think Lashley is going to be a deadlier striker than Lesnar. Look at the damage he did with 1 punch. You could hear the WHACK when he connected!
I don't know. Lesnar dropped Mir, Herring, and Couture with single shots. Lesnar is a fairly devastating striker himself.
He doesn't have the pedigree of a striker though. If you showed Lesnar some footwork, movement and combinations, he'll be like a fish out of water. He'll always be a wrestler. And Mir, Herring, and Couture are not strikers at all. I'd much rather see Lesnar trade punches with Alexander Emelianenko, Mark Hunt or even Arlovski to get a better perspective of his standup.
Lashley attended Missouri Valley College, where he won three national amateur wrestling championships between 1996 and 1998 and placed fourth in 1995. Throughout 1997 and 1998, he was the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) National Wrestling Champion.<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2]</sup> Lashley later joined the United States Army, where he continued to wrestle. So I'd say Lashley has a good base for MMA. He has a good knowledge of the ground and already demonstrated he can apply takedowns. He'll learn more as he progresses.
What IS Herring, really? He's not a striker, and he's obviously not a wrestler, considering how easily O'Brien dealt with him.
I don't disagree at all. All I'm saying is that dropping Mir, Herring and Couture with single shots says more about his striking ability than Lashley cutting a newcomer named Joshua Franklin. Whether you think much of Mir, Herring or Couture or not they are all legitimately experienced guys and Lesnar's striking was good enough to drop all three.
Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning Z? I'm making an opinion and all I said was Lashley may have or will become a better striker than Lesnar. Both are good athletes. Trplsec makes a good point about Lesnar dropping all 3 guys he faced but I really don't consider any of those 3 as being legit strikers in the least. I much rather would see Lesnar strike with somebody like one of the guys I mentioned.
the problem is, you have no basis to say that Lashley is a better striker than Lesnar. He fought a nobody, hit him flush and it didn't put him down. Lesnar dropped 3 legitamate MMA fighters with one shot each. You are not making sense Hanzy.
Didn't put him down? Did you see the size of the gash that Lashley tore off the guy's face using only his fist? They couldn't stop the bleeding. And that dude was a pretty big guy. Also, sure Brock knocked down Mir and Herring but he sure didn't come close to knocking them out or stopping them. As for Couture, that was a legit stoppage by Brock where one punch lead to a series of punches leading to the TKO although do you think beating up on a 45 year old inactive frail looking man who's about 50lbs smaller than you really that big a deal at this stage? I still want to see Brock against a world class striker and a world class submission specialist. Couture and Herring are neither strikers not submission experts. Mir was a submission expert and look what happened. You're riding the Brock bandwagon right now. Good idea. Ride it while it's still on the rails.....before it gets derailed! :kidcool:
There is no such thing as a ridiculous post until that post can be proven wrong. Me saying Lashley is or will become a deadlier striker than Lesnar is just an opinion of mine. I feel Lashley has something. I think he has a trait where he will learn to be a very good striker. Strikers aren't just guys who throw a big punch and land it. Strikers are those who hit, slip and move and set up combinations. Brock hasn't been tested in this area yet. But then again why would he need to slip or set up combinations? He can just go for a double leg anytime he feels and he scores it. And nobody has truly tested his striking skills yet. The 3 guys he fought aren't strikers. We have to be truthful. The UFC's heavyweight division is relatively weak. We don't have the Emelianenkos, Hunt, Arlovski, Schilt, Barnett, etc in there. We do have Noguira though although he looks worse for the wear as we speak. We also have Gonzaga who has heavy hands and respectable BJJ. He's quite a good striker. Wouldn't mind a Lesnar/Gonzaga match at this juncture although I think Dana would not see it as a big seller at this state in time and maybe too risky for his new cash cow.
But Hanzy certainly you see the flaw in your rationale. You won't give Lesnar any credit until he's in with someone you consider a legitimate striker, but on the other hand you proclaim Lashley a dangerous striker simply because he cut a virtual nobody. That's crazy logic brother.
Sure the WWE guys appear to be pretty good at MMA but who are they fighting ??? Nobody from the WWE would beat Anderson Silva, and I think a younger Couture would have beaten Brock. Put Lesnar in against Fedor and see how he gets on.
Of course it does come across that way. I won't deny it.:: But I hope time will prove me right. Take a look at what has happened in the past year or two? Rashad Evans who has no striking skill to speak of going out and wiping Liddell out with 1 punch. Forrest Griffin besting the likes of Shogun and Rampage, Lesnar with only a 1-2 record at the time winning the UFC championship.... And then we have little PacMan crushing DLH. Where does the 'smart fan' logic really fit in? The smart fan saying such and such will happen and then something completely different transpires. I don't know how people can claim me as trolling when I'm simply of the opinion that Lashley can become a better striker than Brock Lesnar. Maybe he won't, hell...maybe Lashley won't even ever fight another MMA fight again. I think though that he can be a force if he goes about it the right way. He's just a kid in all this but with his amateur wrestling base, he's got the pedigree to be something. I just happen to think he's going to surprise us with striking and not just wrestling. Just a hunch.
Nobody from the UFC is beating Anderson Silva either it seems.:laughing: As for Couture in his physical prime beating Lesnar, maybe or maybe not. Would've been interesting.
I'm surprised your christian ass can even watch MMA. Doesn't it go against all your bullsh*t beliefs?
Oh Hanzy, come on. you know Trplsec is right. Your points are making zero sense. Lashley could be good. Who knows, you or I can't even come close to making that assumption after one victory over a nobody by a cut stoppage. That just sounds funny right now as I'm typing it:doh: As far as Lesnars bandwagon, I don't think anyone here on this forum is on that train. But it is obvious you have jumped on with all the other critics on the "Lesnar sucks" bandwagon. I think Lesnar is a novice in MMA right now with a masterful pedigree from collegiate wrestling. He has great wins over Randy and Heath. That is impressive no matter what spin you put on it. Will his train get derailed? Of course, just as GSP's did. MMA is such an up and down ride and Brock is only 3 fights in. Of course he'll lose again. But to think he won't dominate most of the UFC HW division is somewhat foolish. I don't see him beating Nog. Just too good and experienced. But seriously who else in the UFC HW division could beat Nog?:dunno: So before you go getting all butt-hurt at all of us for pointing out your foolish posts, relax. No need for name calling
I don't disagree. Opinions are why we all post here. We all have them and want to argue with those that differ. Personally I think a wrestling background, especially as deep as Lesnar or Lashley have, is the best base to have for guys getting into MMA. They know conditioning. They're used to close quarter fighting. And they have that core strength that is hard to duplicate. Obviously being well-rounded is every MMA fighter's goal, but if I had to have one sport as a background when starting an MMA career it would be amateur wrestling. But Lesnar, in my opinion, is a different animal. He has unreal quickness for his size and is just an athletic dude. He has also shown that his strikes can change a fight.
