Why is Diaz/JMM being touted as the fight to decide the best lightweight?

When Nate Campbell just got finished beating Diaz's azz. Does Campbell have an idiot for a manager or what? Am I'm missing something here? Did Campbell lose a fight since beating Diaz that I'm not aware of? Why isn't JMM fighting Campbell?

 

Diaz beat Campbell in a rematch. Boxrec is just behind updating their records because of the holiday season and all.

 

bull-shit.

 

i realize Campbell was scheduled to face Guzman, but that doesn't change the fact that he beat Diaz, and that beating Diaz at this point will in no way distinguish JMM as the best light-weight in the world.

 

I saw the rematch. it was a lopsided decision for the baby bull.

Cupey

 

Marquez is considered the lineal champion, based on his win over Casa, who beat Chico, who beat Castillo.

Whether or not he's presently the best lightweight is certainly open to debate. In a perfect world, JMM would fight Nate to remove all doubt, just like last year would've been a lot easier if Casa fought Diaz instead of the two having separate fights that month.

But then you can also consider, if Nate loses to Funeka (two weeks prior to JMM-Diaz, and an upset is a plausible scenario), then does any such argument still exist that JMM-Diaz isn't for lightweight supremacy?

 

get out, it was a 7-5 kind of fight for diaz. Campbell hung in there.

 

:bears:

 

Yeah i downloaded it a few days ago. Campbell seemed to just mail in his performance. I don't think he won any round other than the 7th.

 

The lineage is there, though to be honest, I don't think Corrales was exactly the strongest divisional champ around....having been flattened in the over-the-weight rematch by Castillo, missing action due to the cancelled rubber match, and then failing to make weight himself against Casamayor and looking like utter shit in the ring on fight night.

I think there's a difference between being the "champ" and being the "best", and I don't think there is a a clear "best" at lightweight right now.

In regard to Campbell and Diaz, Campbell beat him heads up, but to this point of their careers, Diaz has shown himself to be much more consistent from fight to fight and has no bad losses during his career.

A win over Diaz could well have more lasting relevance than one over Campbell.

 

agREED. The problem is how it's sold.

The thing with Chico - I agree in principle, but nobody else really stepped up in his absence. At best, you can argue that the lineal title became vacant somewhere during the comedy of errors at the scales.

The real problem was Casamayor sitting out through most of 2007, then looking the way he did against Santa Cruz.

Funny though,that the same people who sold JASC as the uncrowned lightweight champion aren't racing to bill Valero-Pituala as the vacant lightweight championship.

 

Nate has no drawing power at all, and according to Jake, he is bankrupt.

With the exception of die hard boxing fans, no one really knows who he is.

Nate has frozen himself out of a Diaz rematch as long as he is aligned with Don King Savannah himself told me, and he furthered aliented himself with the Diaz camp by bolting the country without giving a post fight urine sample, so as far as the Diaz camp is concerned, he's out.

Nate is not going to make any big money, and that's too bad as he laid down a whipping to Diaz, but the guy has only himself to blame with his loud mouth, disrespectful attitude, and the promoter he associated himself with, and King is to blame as well as he disrespected Diaz before the fight.

Nate is frozen out of the big money, period, case closed, end of story.

 

At one point, Nate was set to break from King, I think as a result of the bankruptcy (which voided his contract). King promotes the Campbell-Funeka fight, but unsure of the relationship beyond that.

All that said, while I'm rooting for Nate, I don't like his chances in that fight. My fear is that the Diaz fight was a once-in-a-lifetime moment, and coming back after an 11-month layoff only adds to the problems he'll have against basically the Manute Bol of the lightweight division

 

watch it again, dude.

Campbell clearly won rounds 1,3,4,7, and 12. Rounds 8 and 11 could have gone either way. I gave them to Diaz, so 115-113 for Diaz.

 

Well all i can say to that is to watch the fight again sober.

 

I've been saying that for years and no one listens.

 

The problem, though, is that promoters (and The Ring with their Golden Boy belts) sell it as if they're one and the same.

 

You should type it in all caps.

 

Of course, but you know where I'm coming from.

 

Porque JMM is the ring champion.

 

Because they're both Ring Magazine fighters.

 

The reason is because JMM just KTFO Cassamayor. Thanks for taking part in the boxing history class sir.

 

They're both G fighters, which makes them Ring Magazine fighters...and when one of their fighters has a belt, they make it known.

But yeah, I didn't know Casamayor had the Ring belt when they fought.

 

Don't roll your eyes in the GD forum.

 

dsimon writes:

Let me say this as a JMM fan... Big fuckin deal. Cassa was protected nd he lost to santa cruz as well. Dude was shot and managed to pull a rabbit from a bag because of Katsidas' lack of experience.

Politics as usual thats what it is. But as others have alluded too Campbell will have to overcome some intertia.

 

I would love to see Marquez vs. Campbell. I do think that is the fight to determine the best 135 fighter.

I think once JMM gets past Diaz and Campbell gets past Funeka it could and should happen.

 

Fuck Campbell! Hopefully Funeka does us all a favor and KO's the Galaxy Journeyman, Campbell has become entirely overrated. Ever since the Diaz fight, there are those who talk about him as if he's Aaron Pryor or something.

He did do us a great sevice however in laying a beating on the baby cow.

 

I know you know that. It just seems that people on here will play the real champion card when it suits them.

In my eyes JMM is the best fighter at 135lbs and Campbell is the champion.

 

This discussion is precisely why I don't take as much interest to "the champion" and title lineage as a lot of others do.

I'm more interested in the general thought/consensus of where a fighter's ranked.

Shannon Briggs was the linear champion...which menas Lennox Lewis didn't become it until he beat Briggs.

Given how Briggs "won" it over Foreman, and the way Foreman and Arum shamelessly came up with Shulz as the opponent (and then wouldn't fight him in a rematch), made the "linear" title about as meaningless as it gets.

And then there's the way the lightweight "champion" Corrales had his status devalued status entering the third fight with Casamayor (who, himself, hadn't exactly earned a shot at the "linear" title at that point, IMO)...and the "title" lost even more relevence after the Casamayor-Santa Cruz decision.

And yet, Casamayor was "the champion" entering the Marquez fight.

I think most of the talk is a distraction.

Marquez hasn't been at lightweight that long and I'm not sure just how good Casamayor was at the time he beat him, and Campbell hasn't fought at the level he fought against Diaz for that long...so neither is exactly "proven" at the elite lightweight level, IMO.

Juan Diaz has done more at lightweight than either...and he could well be ranked higher than Campbell (or Marquez) after their next rounds of fights.

Chances are, Diaz has much more staying power at/near the top of the division than either (given Marquez's age and Campbell's inconsistency).

In a perfect world, Marquez fights Campbell and the winner is "the champ". But boxing isn't the NBA or the NFL...we don't ge playoffs.

We get suitcases of money in hotel rooms and a category for "robbery of the year".

It's not a clean sport.

 

Yeah, the rematch wasn't close. Diaz should have been credited with at least three knockdowns. Nate should have lost a point for running as well.

Clear and decisive win for Juan.