Morales-Pacquiao 1

No shit sherlock ::

 

agREED.

 

you seemed a bit confused. :dunno:


Morales beat Barrera and Pacquiao, two all time greats.

 

And Junior Jones.:fightme:


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Raheem isn't an all time great, who he got beat by (the reason I brought him up). Barrera beat Morales more, so that gets cancelled. Obviously the first pac fight was a fluke, when you see the results of the other two. They both lost and quit like bitches, but when they fight each other, Morales has the upper hand? No.

 

this is one of my favorite fights ever. morales' last great performance against a great fighter.

 

The first two Morales-Barrera fights were about as even as you can get...Barrera's "superiority" and "scoreboard" didn't come until the third fight.

If people don't think Morales was starting to go on the decline at that point of his career, and was slower at the higher weight of 130, so be it.

One thing's for sure, he looked like shit carrying 134 into the ring against Raheem and Z-man made him look bad.

 

Barrera got robbed in the first fight, yeah it was close.....but it was clear he won. If you are going to make that excuse for Morales against Raheem, then you can make the same excuse for Pac the first fight. Then when you do that, Barrera is on top and the better man of the two.

 

If you think Barrera was robbed in the first fight, then we simply disagree.

I thought the screams of robbery after both fights were way too loud.

I wasn't blaming Morales' loss to Raheem on the weight...but it didn't help his performance. Either way, I think he only won 3 rounds on my card, but I can't remember.

 

i thought barrera won the first fight, but it was no robbery. morales clearly won the rematch and the third fight could've been a draw.

 

Third fight Barrera won, no draw accepted. Shit or get off the pot.

 

Junior Jones was very good, just very inconsistant.

 

I can counter with Morales-Pac 1/ Morales-Jones and Barrera Jones 1 & 2/Barrera-Pac 1 and 2 prove otherwise.

 

I hate Barrera and love Morales but no way did Morales win 6 rounds to geta draw in the 3rd fight. Barrera won at least 7 rounds. 3rd fight was pretty easy to score.

 

MAB robber M robbed correct dec the third fight.

 

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You are probably right. Morales beat Pacman, Pacman beat Delahoya, Delahoya lost to Hopkins and Hopkins lost to Roy Jones Jr::

 

:mj:

 

Works for Kevin Bacon....:dunno: Why not....

 

Neither is greater than the other. They are both pretty even in terms of all-time ranking.

Never mind head-to-head, each has enough great names on their resume to match up well with the other, yet nothing stands out for one fighter that would make you say "he definitely has the edge."

Then when you factor their head-to-head record, they basically fought on even terms over the course of the entire trilogy.

If they rank among the top five Mexican fighters of all time, it should be 5a and 5b.

 

It was a good performance. However,

a. He couldn't have pulled if off without insisting Manny wear Winning gloves

b. It might have ruined Morales - I can't recall his being the same after that fight

c. Pacquiao's subsequent victories over Morales were so dominant there's no doubting that Morales' survival in the first fight was due to the Winning gloves.

 

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How do you figure? Morales won a close first fight - very close. And then was knocked out in the two subsequent rematches. How is that even terms over the course of the trilogy?

 

Gloves are not that important. Sure they make a difference, but not that much of one. Basically there is a huge difference between say 8oz gloves and 14 oz gloves, but different types of 8oz gloves isn't going to make a dramatic difference in punching power.

I love Cleto Reyes, but mainly because they are so comfortable, not because they dramatically increase your power.

Pacman won fights 2 and 3 because Pacman improved, and Morales declined dramatically. Fuck, he lost to raheem and looked like shit in his very next fight.

Out of your 3, "B" is the most accurate, A and C are nonsense.

 

if they don't make that big of a difference, then why was Pacquiao so adamant that he be allowed to wear Reyes in the rematch? And why for that matter did Morales' camp insist both fighters wear Winning gloves in the first fight? And why did Morales, knowing he had no legs, duke it out with Pacquiao using Reyes - a glove he'd long not worn in order to protect his hands?

 

have you ever stepped into the ring brother? :fightme:

It's really more of a psychological advantage. Sure there are slight differences in the gloves, and every fighter wants to use the gloves that feel best to him. So if you force the other fighter to use your gloves it's already a victory. Emmanuel Steward will tell you there is very little difference in the ring.

Cupey

 

Regarding the topic, I agree with Joony. It's the last great performance of a great master. Think of the wars he had with Barrera, you don't think that took a toll on this man's body? Morales superior skills were put on display and he battered Pacquiao for a clear victory. But the man turned old in his next fight against Raheem and Pacquiao simply beat a shell of the legendary "El Terrible". Prime for Prime Morales win 10 out of 10 fights.

Cupey

 

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Prime for prime blah,blah,blah. The fact is Morales lost 2 of 3 to Pacquiao after he got more aclimated to the weight, didn't have a big ass cut causing him to bleed all over and didn't have as much turmoil. Everything went right for Morales and he got a close win, good for him. Morales doesn't beat Pacquiao even 5 out of 10 much less every time.

 

Yeah, because if there's one thing Pacquiao has shown during his career it's that it takes him a while to acclimate himself to higher weights.

I love it, Morales' ring age doesn't matter as much as Pacquiao's tumoil.

 

For the same reason that they quibble about 1 or 2% of a purse, for the same reason that they want a certain size ring, a certain ref, to come in last, to have certain music playing, their footwear of choice etc etc

They basically want every advantage they can get, including weight even. And as Cupey said, the psychological factor is also a big one.

Gloves is just one of those advantages, but no it's not going to determine the outcome of a fight.

If they were wearing Reyes gloves in the first fight, Erik still would have won.

If they were wearing Winning gloves in the second fight, Erik still would have lost.

Gloves don't win you a fight, fighting does.

 

Pacman is probably the only fighter since Duran who literally doesn't need to acclimate to a new weight at all.

 

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I don't agree. I thought he looked tired and like shit against Morales. You can blame it on the cut or the weight, I go with the weight but it's probably a combination.