frank shamrock thinks most strikers in mma suck.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YrXJhF_cgF4

 

They do ....but for the right reasons.Most Fighters that came from a kickboxing or boxing background haven't done well in MMA.I said most of them but not all.

 

The whole basis of MMA centers on wrestling ability. That's why so many of the wrestlers are successful.

As a boxing fan, I find the stand up in MMA horrible. Even Valuev/Holyfield had more skill than 99.9 percent of MMA stand up.

I got over the shitty stand up in MMA. Lowering my standup expectations made watching the fights even better.

 

Frank Shamrock is a cocky bitch who hates giving ANY credit where credit is due.

 

i havent seen any with a boxing backgroung except for hunt and even he has more wins than losses. in mma you have world class grapplers, most being within the top 10 best sub fighters in the world, who've most likely faced mediocre strikers at best.

the majority of the strikers are kickboxer but i disagree that most of them dont do well infact i believe they tend to do better than wrestlers.

crocop
thaigo alves
wanderlie silva

 

cung le?

 

What about Cungle? San Shou is judo based, so he would fall in the wrestling category.

 

cung le's a striker, there's absolutely zero ground game in sanshou, only throws. cung le hasnt used grappling on anyone in mma.

 

Okay. That doesnt change the fact that a ground game basis is the most successful background in MMA.

Did you just want to bring up Cungle?

 

your absolutely right, understanding the ground game is the most important aspect of mma, but its far easier to learn than boxing but it does take time and dedication.

oh and the best fighters today come from a mixed background unlike the old days when it was purely grappling.

i mentioned cung le because you said that as a boxing fan you find the striking in mma horrible. besides cung there's crocop but most boxing fans think his striking sucks. .

 

Most boxers don't do well in MMA. Today's MMA is too well rounded. Just as Royce Gracie dominated the first few, today, he would not do anywhere near as well, just because of his lack of stand up. Comparing the standup of MMA to boxing is comparing apples to oranges. When do boxers have to learn a sprawl or check a thai kick? They don't. Counterpunching doesn't have to worry about a double leg takedown. MMA has evolved so much in the past ten years and will continue to evolve. A grappling background can help, but just ask Vinnie off of TUF, if you don't have stand up you won't last long neither.

A very well rounded fighter with a boxing background would be Gegard Mousasi. He was 12-1 in his boxing amateur career. Now he was never at a world class level in boxing, but he learned the fundamentals and you can see it in his stand up.

 

do people quote my posts without reading them?.. did anyone watch the video? do you disagree with one of the best mma fighters ever.

 

Frank is right. Alot of the striking in MMA is garbage.

 

That explains all of the knockouts.

TFK

 

Any bum can swing bullshit punches and land 1 to get a KO.

 

Cung Le was a high school and junior college all-american wrestler.

 

Boxing and striking and two different things. You can't compare them.

 

it's true, most mma fighters suck at striking.

 

no way.

 

and don't forget the lack of a CHIN on many of these guys getting KOTFO by the sloppiest of punches...:cheer:

 

My favorite MMA KO is exactly that. Chuck Liddell trying to throw a lead uppercut from 5 feet away and getting KTFO by a windmill overhand right by Rashad Evans.

 

so you are saying that mma guys are more likely to have a bad chin than boxers?

 

It is. Thats why these guys are in MMA and not in boxing earning millions.

 

most definitely, but a very select few ever get to the level of making millions. But needless to say, if you can box at that level you would definitely be in boxing and not MMA.

but this is such an absurd thread, the boxing vs mma is so tired. Just as Z posted earlier, boxing and striking are two totally different beasts. guys in boxing don't have to worry about being kicked or taken down so they can throw a six punch combo and make it look pretty. That ain't gonna happen in MMA.

 

how many boxers make millions? like the top 5%, maybe? You make it sound like teh average boxer makes 7 figures per fight. And the top mma guys will probably be making millions in about 10 years or so, unless mma popularity is just a fad and it goes under in a few years.

 

defending against a takedown isnt striking. and this thread isnt about mma vs boxing.. and secondly defending against leg kicks is far easier to do than defending against punches. dont get me wrong i love mma but the truth is grappling is far easier to learn than boxing.

 

More like a fraction of 1%. If it were 5%, one out of every 20 boxers who laced them up would be making millions. I'd say 1% of the boxers make 99% of the money.

TFK

 

higly ranked boxers who dont earn millions are paid decent wages, hell, earning $300'000 isnt bad at all. and i think he was talking about the potential to earn that type of money.

 

You have to define decent money.

There are much more boxers than MMA fighters. There are many more opportunities to make money on a local level with boxing rather than MMA. There is no way to tell what the current percentages are, but I'm guessing that it is in actuality less than 1% when it comes to million dollar fighters. I don't think that that less than 1% make 99% of the money, maybe 80% or so.

 

Not many but thats the way it has always been. Only the best and very marketable make millions in boxing. It is very hard to make millions in boxing or become elite in boxing. Much harder to become elite in boxing then in MMA.