Fighter of the decade

Floyd's "Loss" to Castillo is 1 of those Bouts that People CLING to N an Effort 2 DIMINISH Floyd's Resume...While the Fight Itself was CLOSE, Floyd Won it...It's 1 of those Fights that U have to Do a Round by Round Scorecard of, Instead of Listening to the HBO Crew...

1st of all, Floyd Won the First 5 Rounds Pretty CLEARLY...Possibly the 1st 6 Rounds...Castillo Took the Next 3 Rounds Pretty CLEARLY...Round 10 is a Round that Floyd Seemed to Win, yet a Point was DEDUCTED from him...Then, Castillo Won the Last 2 Rounds...

It's 1 of those Fights where the Guy that FINISHES Stronger, Leaves the IMPRESSION that he Won the Fight...But if U Score it ROUND BY ROUND, Floyd WON...Absolute WORST Case Scenrio is a DRAW, but there's NOfuckingWAY Castillo WON that Fight...



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NOBODY's Arguing who the More EXCITING Fighter is, Mex...NOBODY is Arguing who CONSISTENTLY Takes on TOUGHER Challenges Either...



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I don't like Hops losses to Taylor and Calzaghe (The two fastest fighters he fought) as far as trying to push for him as fighter of the year. It's amazing what he did being how fucking old he is, but he clearly stands behind Floyd and Manny.

Now, I gotta say: I think it's gonna be determined by what they do from now on. If Manny beats Hatton then he takes the edge and only Floyd coming back to beat him would change the situation. That's why I think Floyd-Pacquiao is the potential biggest fight of the decade, by far.

 

Not just exciting, but more effective.

In all honesty, this aging, part time boxer/promoter version of De La Hoya, shouldn't have done as well as he did against Floyd.

Despite picking almost all of Floyd's opponents against him :: - it's sort of a tradition I have, out of hate for Floyd, you know how it is.

But truthfully, the only fighter I actually thought would beat Floyd was Chico.

Weight drained or not, it's impressive quite how dominant Floyd was in dismantling Chico.

I thought Floyd would dominate Oscar and Hatton, even Zab.

Floyd is one of the best fighters of the 90's, but he's not as good as some of you think.

Despite Marquez, Pacquiao has actually been more dominant than Floyd, has moved up more weight classes, and has trashed one of Floyd's recent opponents.

Pacman is going to start looking even better when he beats Hatton more impressively than Floyd did, at his natural weight.

The fact that Pacman really has taken on all comers across a big span of weights, and taken on fighters that many (even most) people thought would beat him, and by and large beaten them impressively, makes him the leading candidate for FOTD, don't you think? Especially when you factor in this is a fighter who is 5'5 and spent the first few years of his career as a FLYWEIGHT.

Even I remember thinking, he is too small, too wild, Barrera is going to school him. And now a few years down the line, he has stoppage wins over Barrera, Morales, and even De La Hoya.

Although Floyd has been impressive, has taken on his fair share of good fighters, it can't be denied that his career has been far more "managed" than the likes of Pacman and Hopkins, and has less big wins in dominant fashion.

Honestly, for Floyd to win fighter of the decade, I think he'd have to beat Pacman impressively, AND beat a big strong welterweight, someone that a lot of people might pick over him, like Marge or Tall Paul.

 

This is what kills me about Manny's cheerleaders. On one hand they tear apart other fighter's resume and forget or close an eye when looking at Pac's. "The fact that Pacman really has taken on all comers across a big span of weights". Manny's most meaningful fights are: Barrera, Morales and Marquez. All Featherweights. What most are choosing to ignore is that he fought the Morales and Barrera rematches when they were coming from losses and showing continued decline. I won't mention Marquez because everyone has had close-controversial wins but you can hardly claim it as a huge dominant victory as well.

More importantly, this is who Manny fought at 130:

* Morales.
* Velazquez.
* Larios.
* Solis.
* Barrera.
* Marquez.

Notice something? Not a SINGLE Superfeatherweight and most of them campaining for the 1st time at the weight class just to fight him. I'm more impressed by Floyd beating a huge Lightweight on his 1st fight for the title or even taking on a natural, established Jr. Welterweight like Corley to start his road at 140. Beating Diaz for a title he shouldn't have doesn't come near beating Baldomir who became the rightful champion at 147 as well. Add the fact that Floyd remained undefeated while Pacquiao had a clear loss and I'm having trouble understanding how everyone thinks Manny is the lead candidate. Counting a victory over Hatton ahead of time doesn't count either MWS.

The Hatton fight will tell us a lot IMO. If Manny KO's him then I won't argue with whoever wants to rank him as fighter of the decade and only Floyd coming back to do something about it can change that.

 

Calzaghe.

Hopkins lovers are something else, in case you missed Calzaghe made Hopkins try to quit in one of the most cowardly displays ever. ::::

Hopkins, do you guys even watch boxing. Hopkins lost to nearly ever good fighter he fought his won size. Hopkins is fighter of the decade for beating fights two weight classes below.

 

Jesus.

Ledwaba, Barrera, Morales, Diaz and De la Hoya were Manny's FIRST fights at 122, 126, 130, 135, and 147 respectively :: ::

So actually, all of Manny's signature wins have come as HE'S moved up to a new weight class for the first time. Who gives a shit about a few bums like Larios in between?

Baldomir is no better than Diaz. Floyd fans hype him up far too much. He's a run of the mill fighter, who managed to beat the most mindless, inconsistent fighter ever in Judah, and a shot punching bag in Gatti.

Diaz and Baldomir are same level fighters.

And by the way, Floyd's best win is over CHico, a super featherweight. His second best win is a lackluster decision over Oscar, the guy Pacman just gave a 1 sided beatdown.

 

I had been a Hopkins fan for years, but all of that changed in that 1 fight.

I never knew Nard had such bitch in him, I held him in far higher regard.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind he was actually trying to get Joe DQ'd, it truly was one of the most pathetic displays I've seen.

 

Hopkins is a nancy. History won't be kind him. His resume is very poor. He made Jermain Taylor look like an ATG. Calzaghe humiliated him. I am not making this up. Hopkins fought exactly 5 fighters his size that had world class ability. AND HE LOST TO ALL OF THEM EXCEPT TARVER.

1. JONES L
2.TAYLOR L
3. TAYLOR L
4. TARVER W
5. CALZAGHE L

 

If Taylor is the same size as Hopkins, so is Pavlik.

 

I said world class ability too. Pavlik is a tv fighter. I never thought he was good and he is not very good. You can count him too if you want. Still, Hopkins 2-4 then. Hardly detracts from my point. Hopkins made a career out of beating smaller men. He made Pavlik move up 10 pounds too, so he is hardly the same size.He can crack and that is why he beat JT.

 

I agree that fights should be scored according to the scorecard. According to many people Tua beat Ibeabuchi. However, Ibeabuchi won the first four rounds clearly and the rest of the rounds were shared between the two. Perhaps Tua finished better. That doesn't mean he won the bout.

 

True Free,.. and you know,.. Hopkins is actually larger than every one listed there, including Tarver,.. I mean,.. Tarver had a mere 1 inch height advantage. When this fight was first announced, people had flashbacks of Tarver towering over Roy and assumed that Hopkins was the same size being 'jus a lil middleweight',... oh no, no no no no,...he almost matched Tarver in height, but well surpassed him in braun around the shoulders and chest. What also adds to the illusion of Hopkins size is his poise in the ring, his chin is constantly tucked, and he's tightly crouched in a cowardly ball usually creeping backwards.

It almost baffles me how a Lightheavyweight can have Oscar De La Hoya on thier resume, let alone have him mention as one of his.... best wins..:: ...

 

The Hatton win may have been his biggest win outside odh.

Don't forget they were both undefeated fighters at the time.

 

Even if people want to say Floyd lost the fight it doesn't really diminish anything. He won a clear decision in an immediate rematch. If anything that elevates him even more.