Top Rank to promote Joan Guzman, Edwin Valero

According to BoxingConfidential, Guzman is now co-promoted by Top Rank, and Valero couls sign with them "shortly".

 

Top Rank might do something for Valero's career.

 

interesting. valero was close to signing w/ golden boy, yet nothing really came out of it besides valero giving oscar a black eye in sparring as alleged by valero himself who attended manny's party.

 

Kenny is a decent trainer, but not an elite trainer.

I know all trainers tend to exaggerate, and I believe he is doing so here with his description of Valero, and he gave credibility to what I have been saying all along when I said he had no balance and defense.

Old habits are hard to break, and a fighter just dosen't learn how to box correctly overnight.

I'll have to see this new and improved version of Valero before I change my opinion of him, and my current opinion of him is that he is a poor fighter who is going to get hurt.

 

agREED on Kenny Adams. He's a great disciplinarian, but I believe his day came and went as far as being a top trainer today.

As far as this thread - Arum agreed to be Guzman's co-promoter a long time ago. I want to say shortly after Guzman's contract ran out with Golden Boy (as co-promoter), which would be mid-spring.

Didn't know about Valero, though of course we now know Pacquiao's next potential lightweight opponent should Pac ever again fight there.

 

Arum was and is never going to put Pac in with Guzman. Hes just lucky after the shit Guzman pulled with Campbell that he has a legit excuse not to do it now.

 

I like Guzman but seriously, enough is enough. Guzman has never faced anyone near Manny's caliber. Really, he's never even fought a good fighter who had very quick hands. For a guy who is so highly regarded there are quite a few questions about Guzman. Manny hasn't fought Guzman but big fucking deal, he's taking bigger challenges.

 

Arum himself told Guzman he would never land a fight with Pacquiao.

I guess things change now. But at the time Guzman was a big threat to Pacquiao at 130. Instead Arum was pushing for the Soto fight which was and is a waste of time.

 

not sure if this was in response to my post or just a general statement... but just incase, I was referring to Valero not Guzman

 

my guess is valero and pacquiao will end up on the same card fighting different opponents at least once before they face eachother - that's if they ever do.

it will be a weird fight - two south-paws. obviously many factors will determine who wins but a major one is which fighter adjusts better to a south-paw opponent.

chin obviously will be a major factor, and valero's ability to overcome his speed deficit.

 

Guzman hadn't earned it to be honest. He brought nothing to the table then and nothing now. You guess things change now? Nothings changed Guzman still hasn't proven shit while Manny just got a big win. There's simply no reason for Manny to fight Guzman unless he got some big wins that he lacks.

 

dude he beat Soto who Arum though was Pacquiao's biggest threat at 130 and fools like you thought he was the dark horse in the division remember?

I guess once Guzman beat him it meant nothing.

Guzman at 130 was an undefeated champion with the skills and style to give Pacquiao hell.

I agree now the fight likely won't happen. but let's not pretend at 130 Guzman didn't deserve it. But someone like Solis did.

 

So Guzman brought a win over Soto to the table? According to you that guy sucks anyways. There was really no reason to fight Guzman. Hell even before the Campbell fiasco he cancelled fights all the time. Yeah I stand by what I said there was no reason to fight him. There was nothing to be gained in that fight, they had bigger plans for Pacquiao. There's a TON of good fighters around those weights.

 

I never said Soto sucked I said he was overrated by Arum and clowns like you. besides i'ts about fighting the best. Guzman along Pacquiao and JMM were the best at 130.

Guzman schooled that clown and Arum told Guzman to his face that he would never give him the fight.

again how did Solis earn the fight with Pacquiao? your reaching with your bullshit hate for fighters again.

as far as bigger plans well I wouldn't call David Diaz anything bigger. He earned his shot because he was promoted by Arum and he knew that was an easy fight for Paquiao.

 

People like to say that Margarito was ducked by Floyd but Manny gets a free pass for not fighting Guzman. Guzman is a huge threat to Pac point blank period. Too bad he fucked up big time with the shit he pulled at the Nate Campbell fight.

 

The opening post said that Top Rank brought in 2 possible opponents for the Fillipino superstar aka Valero y Guzman. So it was a reference to that statement.

 

No, Guzman sucks. He has shown NOTHING at 130 to indicate he'd have a realistic chance against Pacquiao.

You're hang up with Guzman is disturbing. "Most talented fighter in boxing" my arse ::

I'd pick Pacquiao or Marquez to beat Guzman and Valero on the same night.

Beating Oscar at 147 ranks a hell of a lot higher than beating up those average 130 pounders, and so shall defeating Hatton at his natural weight of 140.

 

Soto should and probably will take over 130.

 

LOL man. Guzman is a much better ad dangerous opponent for Pac then Hatton. Hattons trash he just represents more money and way less threat.

 

There are plenty who said the same about pacquiao...manny still has some of those faults but managed to round out his game quite nicely.

 

This would be interesting when you consider the fact that Valero is managed by Oscar's daddy.

 

Pacquiao manages Valero?

 

joel de hoya

 

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sure thing, chief

 

Guzman showed real promise, and at times brilliance fighting at 122 and 126, but he seems to have lost it. It doesn't seem like he's carried his power up to 135 with him, and he almost always seems gassed. I know I get flak for this but I thought Soto beat him with clean punching, while Guzman just stunk around impressing the judges with hand-speed that he couldn't back up with anything but holding.

I'm looking forward to the day Guzman gets KTFO. He just seems to lack dedication and passion, despite the talent he obviously has. And I have a feeling too that he has fragile hands.

 

I agree about Pacquiao, and I was one of them, and I spoke to Freddie Roach in person about it.

I have already said that Manny is the most improved fighter in boxing, but I know Kenny Adams was a better amateur boxing coach than a professional boxing coach.

He is getting up there in age, but perhaps Adams is what Valero needs as he has never had anyone to teach him the basics of boxing 101, and a good amateur trainer may be his fit.

Valero appears to be self taught, and I said about a year or so ago that he makes Manny look like Sugar Ray Robinson technique wise as Valero is simply not a good fighter.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Pacquiao convert. I said the same things about Manny that you'd said about Valero. I was VERY late to his bandwagon. It wasn't until he KO'ed Morales the first time that I began to speak positively about him and after witnessing the rubbermatch destruction, I was fully on board.

Valero has power and as you said...he needs an amatuer type coach to teach him the basics. A no-nonsense kind of guy who makes him work hard and yet gets across the basics. Al Mitchell is another guy who is good at drilling fundamentals into a fighter.

At this point and stage of his career, basics will help Valero more than anything else...provided he can take a punch. Besides, it's not like Valero is as fundamentally piss poor as as Daniel Ponce De Leon or Ricardo Mayorga.

I've seen the video of Valero sparring with Morales prior to one of his fights with Pacquiao and valero handled Morales easily. He had great handspeed, great reflexes and power.

From what I understand, when he worked with the Hernandez brothers in SoCal, he was much better techinically....once his license was suspended here and he left to fight in Japan, his sparring and technique went to shit because he simply went out to blast out guys to keep the 1st round KO streak alive.

So again, Adams might not be a bad pick assuming the guy still has the capacity to learn and work ethic.

 

Yep sure thing. Your boy Hatton sucks. Watch Pac whup that ass real easy Dos de Mayo.

 

hatton doesn't even deserve a discussion at this point, in regard to anything. he needs to lose again and then be gone.

malignaggi? :atu: