Explain to me with some articulation, why Darchinyan isn't the 2008 FOTY

Serious question.

His 2008 was pretty impressive and IMO, the most impressive of any contender for that title.

Beating Z Gorres in the 'pines, plus Kirilov and Mijares in the states (via KO and as a heavy underdog to the P4P'er Mijares) is fucking great work in a new division. He went from an overrated, chinny swinger @ 112 a year ago, to slapping fuckers silly @ 115 and quickly passing over the guy who beat him.

Calzaghe and Pacquiao had big wins, but there is no way I see a close win over Hopkins and Diaz/De La Hoya and Marquez as being > Gorres, Kirilov and Mijares. The stickler for me, is that I think Marquez beat Pacquiao, so he's ruled out and if anything, Marquez' name deserves mention before Pacquiao.

I think Vic is the 2008 FOTY, which 12 months ago would have been hilarious. Someone argue the case for why he's not, without resorting to "midgets" or "Manny is soooooo popular".

 

You make a good case and it's hard to argue.

When it comes to Pacquiao/Marquez II... honestly, I can't have a serious opinion on who won because I was on holidays at the time and watched the fight in a loud strip club in Victoria, British Columbia. I was keeping track of the rounds and thought Pac eeked it, but I left feeling it honestly could have gone either way... and with the big KD in the 4th, Pacquiao by a point wasn't a big deal to me.

The way Vic beat Mijares, however, was unbelievable. Obviously, you can't rate Mijares over Marquez in terms of importance (at least I think it's obvious) but I certainly don't mind considering the fashion in which those fights were won.

Kirilov is a better win than Diaz, but a little more under the radar. The fight wasn't as big because neither guy has Pacquiao's name. I'm not saying that's a good reason, but it's still a reason regardless.

When it's all said and done, I'd agree with you if we all thought Pacquiao would beat Oscar before he actually did it. As it stands, the fight was looked at as a farce by most... and that tips it for Manny, IMO.

 

I think if not Pacquiao, Vic could easily be the fighter of the year.

Even though I think Oscar is shot and that played a role in how Manny beat him. I still didn't think Manny could beat him in that fashion. So that win alone shits on everything Vic did.

I do think JMM beat Pacquiao in March and the Diaz win just gave him an easy tittle on a new division.

Still the DLH win clinched it!

 

I think that Nate Campbell would have had a shot at Fighter of the Year if he hadn't been stymied with inactivity after the Diaz win.

Otherwise, I wouldn't argue with Darchinyan.

 

If Pacquiao didn't jump 3 divisions in the same year, I'd go with Vic.

 

great post. i think a lot of it obviously hinges on how you scored the Marquez fight. razor thin fight, but i thought Manny won it by a point 6 rounds apiece and on the strength of the knockdown. also the DLH win is something that can be skewed by hindsight quite a bit, and while that may be the proper way to evaluate a fighter's accomplishments - i think you have to take into account the perceptions going into the match. that was a huge victory for Pac to jump up two divisions and annihilate a respected fighter, the same fighter who gave the top P4P fighter in the world a much tougher fight not too long ago.

 

.....cause and I quote from Dec. 23rd 2008

Case closed.

I have no problem with Vic or Manny, but certainly not that slapper from Wales.

 

Manny was my pick, but also with the sidebar than in most other years Vic's run was easily the best. As it stands, he's far and away the most deserving of Comeback of the Year, even though the popular choice is Vitali (with others even claiming Hopkins?).

I won't argue with anyone who says Vic was the best fighter of 2008.

 

Is Darchinyan from Australia?

 

The thing w/ Vic and Manny is, they had similar campaigns, but in opposite directions, struggling with one and beating the crap out of the other two they fought.

If Vic gets the edge, it's because his best win came against the best opponent he faced this year (Mijares). Manny struggled the most against his best (JMM).

IMO, the wins over Kirilov and Diaz are a wash. Kirilov was slightly more established, but was never threatening to make any more noise at 115 than was already the case.

Obviously, Manny beating the shit out of Oscar was more impressive than Vic struggling (though also contending with shitty officiating) against Z Gorres.

 

eh, I think I would.

I mean Vic should certainly be comeback fighter of the year, without question. But Manny's year, including the way he capped it off made it somewhat uncompetitive in how I expect the vote to turn out.

If there was a "I ain't dead yet, Shit" award, it would be for Hopkins.

 

Mijares is as talentless as they come. He is a horrible fighter. That is why IMO.His defense the DENVER bRONCOS MOCK AS BAD.

 

Because Mijares was rated much to high. Kirilov had just come off a draw to a stiff and Vic only got a draw in the Gorres fight. Of course that's just looking at it from a negative perspective. Vic got robbed against Gorres, that was a ridiculous draw and the ref did a horrible job and so did the judges. Kirilov really isn't good though.

 

Kirilov isn't great, but he's not bad either. I think he's a better fighter than David Diaz and Darchinyan walked through him without any trouble at all.

 

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I don't think he's any better than Diaz to be honest. They are pretty much the same level in my eyes.

 

But Just as MANY Think Pacquiao WON that Fight (Even Though REED ISN'T Among Them)...Then, Pac Moved Up 5 Lbs & Won N DOMINANT Fashion Against Diaz...THEN, he MOVED UP 2 MORE Weight Classes & DOMINATED a MUCH Bigger Man, N THE BIGGEST Fight of 2008, Bar NONE...

Manny Pac won 2 Titles N 2 DIFFERENT Weight Classes, in 2008...He was the WINNER N 2008's "Upset of the Year", AND, he was the Winner in THE BIGGEST EVENT Of 2008...

Manny Pac was ALREADY ARGUABLY # 1 or 2, Lb 4 Lb, when the Year Started...But he SOLIDIFIED his #1 Spot by the END of the Year...Even Calzaghe Probably WOULDN'T Argue @ this Point...No Doubt, Manny was THE "Fighter of the Year" for 2008...Darchinyan was IN the Running, but he DIDN'T have the IMPACT that Manny Pac had...Instead, he's Fighting Margarito for the # 2 Spot...



REED:kidcool:

 

Not that I'm campaining for Manny but he did edge JMM in a close fight and frankly, I'm sure anyone will agree that Marquez is a much better than anyone Vic fought and P4P would beat the crap out of him.

 

Because of Pacquiao. Sorry but Gorres, Kirilov and Mijares do not equal Manny beating Diaz, Marquez, and Oscar at 3 different weights, jumping straight up to 147 as a big underdog, and slapping oscar silly.

Nobody thought Oscar was the better fighter, but we all thought he was simply too big, and because Manny was so utterly dominant, this win is now being underrated - purely because he made Oscar look like such a bum.

90% of people thought Oscar would win, that speaks for itself.

No way Vic is the FOTY over Pacquiao. Though if Pacman did fuck all this year, I wouldn't argue, Vic certainly has had an impressive year.

And yep you're right, he was an overrated chinny, haymaker throwing bum at 112, but at 115 he's made a believer out of me.

Even though I thought slow-arse Mijares was incredibly overrated, the way Vic demolished him was very impressive.

 

Darchinyan is irrelevant, that's why.

Calzaghe beat the big names in Hopkins and Jones, Hopkins murdered Pavlik and Pacquaio was the sensation of the year with his stopping of Oscar,

No one else deserved consideration....

 

If Manny's only win was the Oscar stoppage, he would have still won this award.

 

I knew I remembered something like that.

 

Darch should win comeback of the year award.

 

two words

German
Dishwasher

 

i think it's pretty simple. despite the list of top opponents he defeated, especially his impressive win over mijares, he failed to avenge his knockout loss to donaire.

can you imagine pacquiao getting knocked out and not insisting on a rematch? a rematch he'd no doubt win? i can't.

vic still has a monkey on his shoulder named donaire.

 

:doh::doh: .....one for each time it happened.

 

well, maybe in 5 years donaire's KO of Vic won't matter, avenged or not. as it stands, it affects his status.

and we all know pac is a different fighter than he was as a fly-weight.

but let's get real - will Vic ever be a 130 pound champion by way of KO primarily, let alone a lightweight one?

he's just not as good.

 

Ddarch was KO'd three times against Mijares. He deserves props for coming back from that.

 

as easy as that was, it must be said that a teenagers loss at a weight he could no longer make is much different than a showdown for supremacy at a weight you continue to campaign at.

 

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VALID Point (U've Been on a NICE Roll Lately, Doub)...& the Thing Is, Vic CARRIES Himself like Some INDESTRUCTABLE Badass, yet like U Said, there's a Guy Out that that WAXED him Rather EASILY...

& REED WON'T Even Get Into the Level of DENIAL Vic was in, After the Fight...If he had AVENGED the KO Loss AND Beaten Mijraes, then REED Could See Vic POSSIBLY Getting the Knod OVER Manny Pac....



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This is easy Tam. Vic Darchynian fights in the 115 pound weight division and most of his fights are not on television.

You're not some naif in the woods here.