What really caused Tyson's decline?

Was it the fame? Did he get lazy? Did he party more than he should of? Was it the jail time? The guy was a monster when he was younger. I don't believe that he was never that good like some, he was very good. Was it Don King?

 

a combination of two things: going for one punch KO's, and an increase in the level of opposition he faced

 

Agreed.

When he finally stepped up and fought Buster Douglas, we saw what was what.

 

stepped up and fought douglas? I don't think Douglas was a step up from previous people he fought. A step down.

 

Also, Tyson was ko in training for that fight and had been partying in NY right before the fight happened in Japan.

 

:: Yeah, ol' Buster was a huge step up.

 

leading up to the Douglas fight it was all those things fame/too much party/and shitty training...

That night in Tokyo Douglas had that extra something...he would not be intimidated..he would not stay down..he would take Mike best and keep on coming......

 

It's a shame. If Cus would have been younger I don't see that happening and I see a different path for Tyson. I don't think he would have left Cus, but he died and left Tyson.

 

Surrounding himself with the wrong people and failing to train as he should have. When he agreed to the rematch with Ruddock, he was sitting in a restaurant drinking champagne and partying it up.

He got away from Cayton and Rooney. THAT effectively removed his training camp and regimen. From there on out, he grew more arrogant and stopped bobbing and weaving---always looking for the big shot and getting hit too much in return.

If Tyson had kept training properly and stayed away from the nightlife and shady characters, his prime would have lasted much longer.

I think he would have beaten Douglas as he should have, and he would have beaten the younger version of Holyfield imo. Holyfield was unusual in that he went from being an accumulation puncher to getting heavier handed and more powerful as his stay at heavyweight increased. Even against Bowe the first time, he wasn't the puncher he would later become. THAT was weird.

 

Danny Williams had the same idea, actually. He wouldn't back down from Tyson that night in Louisville much like Douglas did in Tokyo. You'd figure he would've just fallen and taken his cheque like most guys did.

 

It's not really weird, as you get older you naturally fill out more and Holyfield grew into a HW, not to mention it was pretty unatural for him to move up the way he did. He was hanging out with Lee Haney and training with him, so I believe he was juicing. In any case the older he got the more natural HW became for his body and he started punching harder.

 

:boohoo:

Even the Tyson from the Holyfield fight would have bend Williams over a table and fucked him till love was in the air...

 

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Somebody would've come along and knocked prime Tyson the f*ck out sooner or later even if he stayed with Rooney. It always happens. Somebody always comes along eventually. Tyson had a good dominant stay on top for 3-4 years. Kinda like Roger Federer in tennis who people say was god-like for his dominance before younger guys started coming along and challenging him.
Happens in every sport. All this sh*t about prime Tyson dominating for many more years if Cus had lived is baloney! He wouldn't have stayed dominant no matter how focused he was.
He fought in a pretty crappy era to be honest. His best opponent was a shot inactive Larry Holmes. And most other guys he beat were scared to sh*t of him like Tony Tucker and Bonecrusher. If they had any balls, they'd have given him a hell of a fight ala Buster Douglas. Tyson was the best intimidator ever. He used to scare guys before fights. Spinks was taking a crap before he even left the locker room.::

 

Maybe or maybe not. Williams had his Douglas-moment though. At 265lbs, Danny's punches carried a lot of weight.

 

:doh:

 

Tyson's never beatin a hof that was in his prime.He's overrated

 

Way overrated. Kinda like Ibeabuchi. Ibeabuchi gets all these props about being a future legend when all he ever did was go life and death with Tua and KO that little sh*t-head Chris Byrd. Ike never fought Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Foreman, Holmes, Mercer, McCall, Klitschko, Rahman, etc. He never fought no champions or legends. And yet here we are discussing the legacy of Ike Ibeabuchi.:laughing:

 

:nono:you can only have an unstoppable moment/fight if youre opponent is in his prime.....and you were an underdog....TYSON was not in his prime vs. Williams..

 

I'm not disagreeing with you ILLUMINATI. Tyson was shot. But my point is, Danny could've taken that first uppercut from Tyson and just fallen down and gone home with a million dollar paycheque. That was what we expected to happen. Remember Bruce Seldon? The WBC Champion? :: :laughing:

 

Neither did Lennox Lewis......or Holyfield(at Heavy)....

 

Just got done watching berbick tyson and they said, the only thing that can beat mike tyson is mike tyson. that was the truth. watching tyson douglas now. douglas looked very good. fast and good foot movement.

 

they are showing an old interview with floyd patterson and they aske floyd what advise he had for tyson and floyd said remember everything from when you started. remember eating out of trash cans, living on the street etc... doing that will keep you from having a big hear. Tyson should have listened

 

what about robbin?

 

just thought of something, at 46 to 1 could Tyson have thrown the fight?

 

Take a beating like that....NO.....

 

BITCH!!!!

 

If they bet a mill and won 46 mill think about it.

 

His personality/(lack of) character.

 

dsimon writes:

You know it never ceases to amaze me how short people's memory is. The historians all swear Plato was crazy because he wrote in history about a place called Atlantis... and when Tyson came to be the experts all crowed in unison. Tyson was the unstoppable savage man who fought with such verve and hatred that he remiinded people of Dempsey's attack.

Tyson was a prodigy that was remarkable.. he was small side for a heavy and his punches came at all angles but were economical and never failed to shut down his opponent when he was on.

Bullshit on Tyson's opposition. when he was on only another great could have survived in the ring with him. He has the speed of a Joe Louis along with Dempsey's agression. Tyson was a student of the game... he fought smart... that is why nobody could last with him also... and it is a point people love to forget along with his ability.

The truth is that Tyson beat Tyson up and when he was on nobody could touch him except for Douglas and he almost Koed buster that night.

Tyson was fast enough and smart enough to know that there is no sense in going rounds in the heavyweight division when you can KO peopls. I doubt either Klit would last a round with him when he was on. Tyson also never gave his opponent a chance to touch him up. Again why? why let anyone touch you if you can prevent it. Tyson's head movement was sharper than Frazier's in this respect and he could touch you hard with either hand! with a Frazier like attack coming in.

When he was on he may have been the most unstoppable of all the heavies frankly. Level of opposition my ass! :atu: