Victor Ortiz

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  1. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    agREED on all accounts (Brad Goodman deserves a lot of credit @ Top Rank as well). Gomez is a nice guy, but a matchmaker he's not.
     
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    you just had to seize this opportunity to heap praise upon a fellow New Yorker.
     
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    He's pretty talented but I just don't see a world class champ in him.
     
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    Steve Kim:

     
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    Ortiz is the future of 140 pounds...hopefully he will be ready in a year or so to take out whoever is the champion at the time....HATTON/PACQUIAO...
     
  6. Xplosive

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    Ortiz will murk shot ass Stiffvian Harris.
     
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    LATIN KING Undisputed Champion

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    Ortiz talks alot of shit for a prospect that hasn't beaten anybody yet.

    He is good and will get better but hard to say how far he'll go.
     
  8. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Oh but of course!

    But seriously, Brad doesn't get enough credit. Whenever Top Rank is mentioned, it's always "Bruce Trampler, Bruce Trampler, Bruce Trampler..." You almost never hear Brad's name mentioned, yet he did almost all of the matchmaking for Kelly Pavlik on the way up, among many other current TR fighters.
     
  9. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    And back on course...

    Curious to see what payday GBP is offering Viv for this fight. Once upon a time, he had the perfect formula to beat Ortiz, but sadly I don't have any confidence in that happening today and beyond.
     
  10. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Didnt Viv get dropped twice by a total nobody in his last fight? Damn he declined fast. It was only about 3 years ago when ppl were talking about him being a threat to Floyd(though I never believed that) and now he's nothing more than a stepping stone. Its a shame, cause if he was still in his prime today he coulda made for interesting fights with the likes of Bradley, and Holt.

    Why did he decline so fast IYO Jake?
     
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    Good "step up" fight for Ortiz... say what one wants about Viv but he has seen the pate from the tray of celery.... so to speak! :lol:.

    I dont know if I think Viv's prime has anything to do with it.... Doesn't he drink the same water as Zab Judah? where is strange glove with a rant about NY fighters when you need him?

    Viv could put one together and maybe make another run and Ortiz is still quite a question mark.
     
  12. Xplosive

    Xplosive X-MOD Bad Motherfucker

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    Zab accomplished a helluva lot more than Harris did however.
     
  13. Jake

    Jake WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I think it has everything to do with weight, to be honest. Dude is taller than me, wide frame - he has no business shrinkwrapping himself to 140, yet it's where he's remained for most of his career.

    The smarter move would've been to move up, take a welterweight tune-up or two, then get paid at the top level. Cashing out against a prospect/budding contender doesn't make much sense.
     
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    ortiz is taking a backward step from fighting cyclops to two of his sons.
     
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    So was Vargas when Tito shattered his chin.

    Ortiz has the offensive goods, defense is going to be his problem. he and Berto are the same fighter...offensively blessed, yet KO victims in the future.

    Both guys punch well, neither guy has much head movement and carries their chin high.
     
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