Is Sugar Shane Being UNDERestimated???...

Well who wouldn't? Hearns and Margarito are damn near on 2 totally different ends of the spectrum so nobody on here is saying Tito beats Hearns. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell Kane could give you an argument where Margarito beats Hearns. ::

 

I can definite see Margarito dropping Trinidad in a fight...but Margarito will end the fight like those guys that drop Trinidad early..getting brutalize and Ko/or saved by the REF...

 

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What MORE Do U Want from REED, Dude???...After Criticizing Him MORE than Probably Any Other Fightbeater, REED has ADMITTED that Margarito is an ELITE Welterweight & Probably ALWAYS WAS...

So Just Because REED Points Out FLAWS N his Game (Namely his DEFENSE) Or DOESN'T think he'd Beat Tito @ Welterweight Means REED ISN'T "Giving him Any Fucking Credit"???...


REED:boohoo:

 

I never said that.

All I said is that if the guy is elite and respected it's pretty silly to say Tito would destoy him or ruin him.

not becaue you said it I was speaking in general for all the posts that were saying Margarito would get destroyed by Tito.

Beating him is one thing ruining a fighter is another.

Maybe it wasn't directed at you. I was just replying to a bunch of posts. ::

 

I don't know if im mistaken but I think Xplosive said Tito would beat any welter in history toe to toe. that's why I brought up Hearns.

no need to compare Hearns and Margarito to show how much you dislike Margarito.:atu:

by the way since Margarito beat Cotto have you given him any credit?

I ask because you seem to think he is complete shit yet he kod Cotto who was a you undefeated pfp fighter.

 

Other than their names sounding sorta similar, what does Mayorga have to do with Margarito?

A lot of people thought Mayorga wouldn't beat Spinks. Go back further, and a lot of people didn't think he even beat Forrest in the rematch.

Mayorga beat Forrest at 147 and fought Trinidad well north of it.

Not sure what that has to do with Margarito.

 

I don't dislike Margarito. I think he's a very good fighter. I just think 2 things work against him beating Trinidad. One is the styles and the other is Margarito's intangibles vs Tito's. If Margarito is going to be not moving much and pretty much in an accurate guy like Tito's range, doesn't possess devestating punching power to even the odds I tend to think he's going to lose. Only people to ever beat Tito was boxers and we know Tony isn't that.

Of course I give Margarito credit for beating Cotto.

 

Well you asked what fighter that was similar to Margarito that Tito fought and Mayorga is probably the closest that I could come up with.

 

I agree Tito would beat Margarito.

what I dont' agree is with those who think Tito would ruin him or fucking destroy him. I just don't see that.

 

It's not silly when you realize that his lack of defense it tailor made for a long ass beating from Trinidad. The kind that might take a chunk out of his life in the span of 12 rounds. Trinidad's power at ww is what defined him. And Margarito only have a chin to protect him from Tito's shot, you do the math...

 

you do realize that phonetap is one of shane mosley's biggest supporters over the years right? believe phonetap, you don't have to spend one second convincing him a prime shane would beat margarito...::

phonetap also said he'd favor tito in a fight gainst margarito so you don't need to sell him on that either. in phonetap's estimation the fight would have had classic written all over it.

 

if Tito had his loaded gloves he'd beat Margarito. But I'm not so sure if he fought fair that he would. Margarito could probably absorb fairly easily Tito's power minus the extra tape and frozen water.

 

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I see what you're saying but I just can't co-sign on Tito-Margarito. I see it as an 8 or 10 round version of Tito's fight with Yory Boy.

 

Exactly what I said.

 

ridiculous! campas is nothing like margarito. thats some shameful shit to even compare the two.

 

You haven't caught on yet.

They're both Mexican, which makes it an even better comparison than Mayorga.

They all fight the same south of the border. You beat one of them, you beat all of them.

 

Cotto is nothing like Cintron and yet Margarito managed to make both quit.

 

Yeah, they're Soooooooooo Different, Right???....It's like Comparing Campas & Camacho, Sr:boohoo:...

NOBODY's Saying they Fight EXACTLY Alike, Neil...But they DO have SIMILARITIES...


REED:boohoo:

 

margarito has a lot longer arms than gator boy campas, faster hands, better defense, better power and variety of punches, more mobile. and he's actually beaten a few guys with a pulse. other than that they're similar.

 

not real similar fights at all.

 

The Highlighted Portion is BOGUS on YOUR Part...

But Coming from a Guy that HONESTLY Thinks Penny Hardaway, Chauncey Billups & Joe Dumars were BETTER than Shaquille O'Neal, Allen Iverson Iverson & Isiah Thomas, REED ISN'T Surprised...


REED:mj:

 

Margarito doesn't quit as good as Campas, either.

 

All Anybody's Saying is that there's ON THE SURFACE Similarities btwn the 2 Guys...For Instance, Campas is Certainly MORE Comparable to Margarito than he is to DeLa or JM Marquez...

But Guys like Neil Get their Pugilistic PANTIES N a Bunch & Resort to Pointing Out ARM LENGTH, EYE COLOR, FACIAL HAIR & Other Nonsense...



REED::

 

don't act like you didn't study the t-rex torso when doing your campas drawings, reed. when campas was throwing his jim abbot-like nubs he looked like a terrified wide receiver going over the middle trying to catch an overthrown pass while staring down an oncoming ronnie lott. to admit margarito is an elite welterweight yet compare him to a fucking punching bag like campas is a slap in the face. campas never beat anyone worth a damn and he turned gutless when the going got rough against the big dogs. I've never claimed margarito was some sort of defensive wiz but in comparison to the gigantic stationary melon head of campas he seemed to have the parrying abilities of hopkins. margarito also CLEARLY has better handspeed. who are you reed, ferdie pacheco?

I'd say campas and delahoya are more comparable than margarito with either of the two. since of the three, margaritos victory over cotto trumps any single win by the other two.

 

Neil, I admit that Marg is a far superior fighter than Campas ever was, all I was saying is that vs a prime Tito... Marg would share a similar fate as Campas. In other words, he'd get brutally stopped on his feet.

 

it would be a rough fight for trinidad. not target practice. as I said earlier, when trinidad was at his best at welter before he outgrew the division he was still a kid

 

True he was a kid, but he was a kid with extreme talent, and unusual power in both hands. I dont doubt that Tony would make it rough for him, but eventually it WOULD become target practice for Tito, probably around the 8th. Tony would get stopped shortly after.

 

Mosley is being underestimated imo.

Sure,..Margarito turned in a brutally spectacular performance against Cotto. But let's face it, Cotto isn't as fast, isn't as skilled defensively and isn't as strong-chinned as Shane, even at Mosley's advanced age.

Margarito was overrated up til the Cotto fight. Verry inconsistent and one-dimensional at times.

Now everyone acts as if he's unbeatable at welterweight, except by Floyd.

Personally...I think Margarito is catching Shane at the right moment. But two or three years ago, Mosley woulda made a fool out of him in winning a wide decision or even TKOing him late on cuts.

 

:: Since when was Trinidad some kind of all-world fighter? He's no great and he didn't take any kind of shot himself. Thats a close fight.