Margarito's Hands From Cotto Fight...Loaded Wraps?

Really? Cos the way it looks like here is that everyonehas bought the G created stink hook line and sinker. Maybe because they want to?

I don't know what to make of it. What I do know however, is that it's going to take some solid to make me worry about it. Especially considering the source of the accusations. With all the talk in the past few months about MOsley's testimony and what it might mean to him, this came as a perfect time to deflect the talk from Shane to someone else.

Real convenient that.

 

Interesting point of view, I didn't see it that way at all.

 

So Kauki.....will the IRON CHIN Margarito still rip Trinidad wraps from his hands......


Fucking TRINIDAD would have ruin Margarito KNOCK HIM OUT BRUTALLY>...

 

Hell yeah. He'd be laying down like Arlovski was last night.

 

When Trinidad recieved another shut-out loss,.. the love was transferred in Fraud groupie-esque fashion, to Cotto,.. Cotto was the one, Cotto was the pride of Puerto Rico, all hail Cotto,.........

As of last night, welcome back .

 

I dont ever recall ANYBODY saying that Cotto was as good as a prime Tito. Even before Marg beat his ass.

 

What I want to know is what are these other fighter's seconds doing when they're supposed to be watching the opposition getting their hands wraped, reading a fucking magazine?

 

:bears::bears::bears:

 

The problem with this line of thinking is that HBO reported that the COMMISSIONER is the one who spoke of the hard, plaster like substance.

Margarito's camp allegedly said it was gauze...wet gauze.

 

So Golden Boy and Shane Mosley had Margarito's people attempt to put a "plaster-like substance" on his hands to deflect Shane's testimony about his admitted use of steroids?

there is no question which is worse, Illegal wraps/plaster wraps is comparable to bringing brass knuckles to a fist fight. Steroids don't make you super-human they enhance your ability to train and get into better physical shape. Putting the equivalent of brass knockles on your hands is worse than cheating, its a fucking weapon.

This is a poor take from you Tam.

 

Don't put words in my mouth, kido.

Im not getting into whats worse, because thats fucking spastic.

 

that does make sense except that dean lohuis is a fucking idiot who is hardly beyond reproach. california really is a shitty boxing state as far as the officials, judges and referees are concerned.

 

dsimon writes:

Its relevant to the issue of ethics. They are seperate issues becasue one is immanenently harmful and one is potentially harmful, like the difference between two types of manslaughter. It makes a diffrence if somoene is killed by accident or through premeditated actions.

 

the onset of premature senility is immanenent for some folk here

 

Jaws

I agree with you 100% on this one. You hit it right on the head. I'll Holla 5000

 

Ethics? The mentality of a cheater is something common within them all. It's born from fear. Ethics has nothing to do with cheating. Those who cheat have none.

Deciding whats worse is not something Im at all interested in.

Hitler or Pol Pot?

 

Cheaters are cheaters, I don't care if they are roiders or wrapped their hands like casts, it's not right and in every case IMO they are guilty till proven innocent. And in just about every case I have seen the accusation is warranted.

 

History plays a role. We have the ugly Resto-Collins incident in boxing's past.

If a fighter were killed/permanently injured in a fight in which his opponent was found to have been juiced up, then a lot of people's viewpoints would be different.

 

I'd be seriously suprised if that hasn't happened already. More than once. Being found is the problem.

 

Hey guys, I just re-watched the end of Margarito-Cotto. Marg was not acting like someone who had illegal wraps. After the fight, he took his gloves off and walked around with his wraps on the entire time. He did his interview with Kellerman with his wraps on.

I don't know... if my wraps were as hard as concrete, I probably wouldn't have been waving them around and shaking peoples hands so blatantly.

As I watch more, you can see Margarito shaking hands with people at ringside as Lampley and Steward speak after Margarito's interview. Again, the wraps are on.

 

It's not merely a case of 'what's worse' here, though. It's the propensity to cause serious physical damage which is in issue.

I'm not saying that I agree per se with Jaws here, because there is a direct causative line from:

steroids-----increased fitness and muscle-----increased power----physical damage in bout

BUT when a guy cheats in a way which absolutely and directly effects the damage being caused by punches, then there is an argument that what he is doing is worse, because his MOTIVE is simplistic and brutal.

IMHO, criminal charges should be brought against any fighter and his representatives if there is sufficient evidence to prosecute them. Boxers are generally exempt from prosecution because they accept the risks when the fight, but they accept the risks in accordance to the pre-determined rules.

When those rules are infringed in such a direct way, that consent is effectively withdrawn; NO fighter consents to boxing against someone who has plaster fucking pads hidden under his wraps and gloves. That is, at least, assault and battery for my money...

MTF

 

'Innocent until proven guilty' is the usual phrase I'd imagine...

MTF

 

Yep.

Complete opposite scenario from the last time someone clearly loaded their gloves... Sven Ottke vs. Joe Gatti. Sven left the ring after 10 or 15 minutes of interviews with his gloves on after scoring the 7th or 8th KO of his career.

 

is this image supposed to confirm or disconfirm something? if his loaded handwraps were undetectable prior to the fight why would they be detectable after it? another in a long line of ill-conceived attempts on your part to ignore facts that aren't convenient to your agenda.

 

Hypoethically, if there was an object underneath the wrap, then how visible/detectable would it have been if all he took off were the gloves?

I don't know many fighters that walk around with gloves on well after a fight is over...and cutting off the wraps in the ring might've been a bigger risk of exposure than leaving them on.

 

The way I understand it the object was under the padding, therefore you couldn't see it until the wraps were cut off. Reread Nazim's account.

What's bothering me is the excuse given by the camp...they deny the plaster of paris, but acknowledge the hardened substance. Is it logical to think he couldn't feel the texture of the "hardened" gauze. Makes no sense.

 

dsimon writes:

Come on tam.... I can respect the fact you have no interest but this issue demands certain distinctions be made.

 

dsimon writes:

Yes that is a vaild point.

 

I understand that you can't see it, but wouldn't you be able to feel it?

 

What's the stuff coming out of the right handwrap?