So How IMPRESSED were Ya'll w/Margarito Tonight???!!!...

Yeah, see, no. Out-of-this-world? You mean because Margarito is so fantastic that beating him up is somehow a stellar accomplishment?

Margarito has two, and only two major things going for him as a prizefighter. (1) Great workrate and (2) Great chin. That's it. In every other regard he is ordinary, or sub-par, particularly as a "top-level" fighter. No defense, looping slow punches, bad footwork, not too bright.

Ever since the Cotto fight I have watched people get sold like small-town rubes into the invincible Margarito ideal, typical reactions from those who only remember the last time somebody fought, and then don't even remember the fight clearly.

You know what I remember? I remember Cotto beating Margarito in every possible manner for half the fight, showing superiority in almost every department - making Margarito look SILLY. I remember a fight where if Cotto had the gas to keep his fight plan 2 rounds deeper, he'd have won a clear decision. And worse, it seems that what wore Cotto down so much, so atypically, was likely plaster in Marge's handwraps.

Mosley simply executed a good fightplan to beat a very, very 1-dimensional fighter. Shane said it himself in the post-fight, laughing and saying he really didn't even have much of a plan, just that Marge was SO predictable because he only fights ONE WAY.

Margarito reminds me so much of J.L Castillo - it is almost uncanny. A guy way too big killing himself to make a weight he doesn't really belong at, relying on solely pressure & chin fight after fight, and cheating all along to get the unfair advantage, knowing full well all they have is pressure & chin - and that ain't enough!

We'll never know to a certainty in how many fights JLC cheated at the weigh-in, and we'll probably never know in how many fights Marge wore the illegal handwraps. But at least now we do know where Antonio Margarito really belongs in this division, and it's not at the top.

He is a GOOD fighter, nothing more, nothing less. With the kinds of fighters out there at welter, if he truly continues taking top-level opponents in his next 4-5 fights, he will lose more than half. Come on Tony, step up without your concrete mitts and face Mosley, Williams and Cotto again for starters.

 

I think that's just about the right one.

 

dsimon writes:

This post captures my thoughts exactly. :cheer::cheer:

 

dsimon writes:

I understand your point ugo but I disagree:

Yes the actual victory and now Marg is a bum is kneeerk. That is not what people are reacting too. They are upset about the possability of the handwraps and frankly it is disturbing if one thinks about it. There is indeed a possability that Cotto took punishment that he should not have in that fight because of and that is unforgivable.

 

That's right, when I think about how Cotto's face bloated up and bursted open so quickly something doesn't feel right and it's disturbing. Cotto might of had the cards stacked against him that night in a sinister way.

 

:bears::bears::bears:

I fucking love Mosley. He used to be one of my very favourite fighters, and I feel bad for underestimating him (mainly through age and the mayo fight) against Marge.

He beat the fucking shit out of that cheating bum, and looked incredible doing it.

Shane truly did have one last great performance in him, and marge is a cheating cunt.

 

Agreed. CheaTHGing is not nice

 

It's not that surprising you'd rather focus the attention on Mosley, as a Marge fan.

Afterall, not only did he take a career altering beating, but he was found out to be a disgusting, cheating cunt, with plaster of paris in his handwraps.

What a horrible fighter Marge really is.

 

What I like about all of this is how deeper into the sh*t hole Floyd Fairyweather's supposed 'legacy' spirals.:mj:
Too chickensh*t to fight Margarito and ducking him for years and beats some scrubs in Baldomir and Judah instead, wants nothing to do with Cotto, barely edges out a totally shot Oscar in the most boring 'blockbuster' showdown of the year, beats up little Hatton who has to come up in weight to fight him.....What a legacy left by the Pretty Bitch! Every day that goes by, the more irrelevant he is.
:bears:

 

Typical mexican fighter. Tough, has alot of heart, but lacks brains/intelligence.

 

And suddenly you could hear crickets...

 

Actually, I think that is a lot like Williams' style.

 

Good post.

I picked Margarito by mid rounds KO and I was thinking to change it to an early round KO.

Similar to how Pacq's win over dlh gets downplayed because of how bad dlh looked, now I catch myself doing the same thing here. Margarito did not look as good as he typically does. Volume down, hard punches almost non-existent. I would like to give Mosley all the credit for his excellent performance, but I do wonder if Margarito was at 100%.

Either way, Mosley isn't that great. This was a great win for him, but he's not holding onto the belt very long. And it's not because of his age, but because he's shown he is very beatable when up against the best. And since I don't see him fighting anything but the best, a loss is imminent.

 

Nothing impressive about losing every round, or almost every round, and getting knocked out...and getting called out for illegal hand wraps beforehand.

 

REED Gave Margarito CREDIT for Beating Cotto, which REED DIDN'T Think he'd Do...If that's YOUR Idea of "Praising" Margarito, then So B it...



REED:hammert:

 

agREED 100% w/Everything U're Saying Except the Highlighted Portion...Sure, J.L. Castillo CHEATED the Scales Time & Time Again, but he is MUCH More SKILLED than Margarito EVER was...

Castillo WASN'T as Slow (He Actually had Decent Speed on his Right Hand) as Margarito, Applied SMART Pressure & Actually had Some Degree of DEFENSE...Castillo was just as TOUGH as Margarito, but he Had MORE Options Available...

J.L. Castillo > Antonio Margarito...



REED:hammert:

 

What R your Thoughts on the Handwraps, Mitch???...

REED Knows we'll NEVER Know for Sure, but Do U Think Margarito's BEEN Using Illegal Handwraps???....


REED:hammert:

 

Reed, no opinion on Floyd's legacy hereabouts? Where's it at right now? Having ducked a flawed mexican for years and having his BIG win over DLH sh*tted on by Pacquiao, where's the Floyd legacy at right about now do you think?

 

I was at the fight so I haven't heard all that was said about it on television, but if his were illegal last night, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the first time.

If true, it would definitely change my opinion about him as a fighter...and you'd have to question some of his past performances.

 

Check Out the "Floyd vs. Shane" Thread...


REED:hammert:

 

As I said do you even watch boxing? Clottey has very good handspeed as a few others have mentioned. Sure he has a good chin but he's a bit more versatile than just a pressure fighter. He can box or pressure. So, unless Clottey is not longer black, your statement was idiotic.

 

"Just minutes ago, the commissioner of boxing, Dean Lohaus (sp), reported to us that an illegal pad was found in Margarito's gloves. Something that would harden when wet. And his hands had to be re-wrapped 3 times" - Larry Merchant

Those R Merchant's EXACT Words, Verbatim, just AFTER the Ref's Instructions & PRIOR to the Opening Bell....



REED:hammert:

 

That would seem to be hard for Margarito's camp to explain.

 

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What is G's relationship with Yahoo! again?

 

Why would or should it?.. If he's guilty just do what Puerto Rican's do and ignore the issue and continue to praise his 'career ruining' power that he inflicted on to his victims.

Or, do what Fraud groupies do, and remain absent from threads regarding the legality of Fraud's back turning, elbowing, forearm, palming, foul ridden defence, and call it 'masterful' instead. Ditto for the LEGENDARY LEGEND Bernard Hopkins.

 

De la Hoya is a tougher fight for Floyd then Margarito would have been. Cotto and Williams are clearly the most dangerous guys for Floyd.

 

Yep, I'd rather talk about how good Shane fought rather than how right REED was.

You finally picked a Margarito fight right REED. After all these years of picking everyone he fights against him, you finally did it.

 

Paul Williams fought Margarito in 07.

 

Amen. P4P a prime Castillo was a FAR better fighter than Margarita, and I said that for years.

A prime Castillo would give the lightweight Mosley a tougher fight than Margarita just gave him, though ultimately Mosley would have still beat the shit outta Castillo