Cintron and Collins Sr speak on the Margarito Controversy!

Collins Sr: I knew Margarito was doing something, Cotto was beat up worst than my son was. He was cut all to pieces. You cant do that type of damage with a glove.

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I disagree that you can't do that type of damage with a glove. But my guess is whatever foreign object was found in Margarito's gloves prior to the Mosley fight was present during the Cotto fight.

What's funny is the undue credit that so many people give the opposing camps who are supposed to be observing the tape wrapping. Like it couldn't possibly happen because the tape wrapping is executed under the "careful scrutiny" of some guy who probably didn't even graduate from High School.

It kills me when people use this rationale in defense of Trinidad. "How could he have gotten away with it when Vargas', Reid's, etc. people were there witnessing the wrap?" That's part of the art.

I think also too many of the supposed inspectors take for granted that no funny business is going on. But you'd be naive to think Margarito is the first in recent times or the last to put foreign substances in his gloves, or in the case of Tito, to wrap them such that they're essentially loaded with foreign objects.

Emmanuel Steward for one is known for wrapping his fighters' hands in a fashion that increases the power his fighters are able to generate. Should "that" be legal.

I think hands should be wrapped by third parties, and in a standardized and agreed upon fashion.

 

The question that keeps coming to my mind is did Team Cotto watch Margarito get his hands wrapped? From the very beginning?

 

I don't know about Trinidad, whether or not the wraps mad much difference. Clearly the guy had natural power, wraps or not.

But I totally agree on the last thing you said. Wrapping hands is done for one purpose only - to protect the hands of the fighters. That's it. It's a necessary evil in boxing. So why in the hell are we to the point now where everyone just kind of accepts that handwrapping is used to grant fighters an advantage?

The second that any given boxing authority anywhere discovered even the slightest case of handwrapping being done in any way that may seem to grant an advantage to the fighter (e.g. to increase power, to make their glove harder, etc.), they should have immediately adopted a neutral handwrapper for all parties.

Well now here we are with people putting PLASTER in the damn wraps and we STILL are going to keep the same system? Come on! All the state commissions should immediately institute a new policy, a neutral party wraps hands and does so in the presence of someone from both camps. Period. If they want to make it more diplomatic and have the 2 camps agree in advance on who does it, etc., etc., then fine, but it needs to get done.

 

collins must have not seen morales' face after the second Pacquiao fight.

 

It's disturbing that he knew about it and yet remained silent until now.

 

In related news Cintron sucks ass.

 

Pacquiao ruined Morales with loaded gloves. - Joony ray:

 

Nice.

 

Cotto and his son have a lot in common, both quit against Tony.

 

I agree with most of this post. Of course you can do that "kind of damage" with a normal glove... Alexis Arguello was known for having "razor blades" in his gloves he was able to cut so many of his opponents from legal punches with legal gloves. And in terms of the swelling - anyone seen Chavez vs. Meldrick Taylor 1? There are countless examples.

It's laughable at this board most people have either called Margarito an outright cheat, or completely innocent of any wrongdoing and inevitably no matter what the investigation shows most of you will have already made up your mind and will mold the investigation to suit your arguments-

but what really should come out of this more than anything is much stricter supervision of the hand-wrap process. Someone else mentioned that both boxers should be in the same room and wrap their hands - i don't know about that, but officials and the member of the other camp supervising need to start paying attention now - maybe the entire hand wrap process should be video taped.

also thanks alot Mr. Collins Sr for stepping up when you "knew" Margarito was allegedly doing this 5 months ago...

 

i'm not suggesting that. i'm just saying that you don't need loaded gloves to inflict severe facial damage.

 

Don´t retreat now. I agree completely.
















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Didn't sound like he "stepped up" to me. Somebody approached him for an interview because of possible similar circumstances and he let his suspicions be known is all.

The guy had a horrible thing happen to his son. I don't think he needs to be held to high journalistic standards because he uttered the word "knew" during an interview with a reporter he probably didn't "know".

Guys do it on these boards all the time. "I knew this would happen, I knew that would happen." Most of them are usually full of shit or are just good at predicting the same thing over and over again that they have to eventually get it right.

 

I feel he is in a unique position to understand the severe consequences of a fighter using tampered gloves in a professional boxing match - if he knew margarito was doing this i do think he should have said something. but you're right maybe it was just a slip of the tongue and i am being too picky, in which case i retract the comment

it really doesn't matter what people at this message board say - if i say that i "knew" margarito had loaded gloves in the cotto fight it doesn't get published anywhere.

 

There's Some BITTER Margarito Fans Around Here...



REED:mj:

 

hmm, i don't see anything that indicates that in this particular thread. everything being said is accurate so far: you can inflict that kind of damage with legal gloves, its weird that Collins Sr remained hush until now, cintron sucks ass and we still have to wait for the investigation results before you all ignore them and stick with your original biased arguments

 

Collins Sr. ISN'T Exactly a "Player" in Today's Boxing Scene...Besides that, by the Time he "Knew" Margarito was Cheating, the Fight was ALREADY In Progress, so WHAT was he Supposed to Do about it???...

Collins Sr. Probably Figured it was Something that Margarito Would Do AGAIN, Eventually Get CAUGHT Doing & he was 100% Right...To Sit here & QUESTION The Motives or Theory of Collins Sr. is WEAK...Guys R Just PISSED that they Nuthugged Margarito for Years when he WASN'T Deserving of It...


REED:mj:

 

Fuck Fraudarita.

But I'm looking forward to Martinez-Cintron.

 

Ok fair enough you and Nobleart have both expressed that same sentiment regarding Collins and I think you are both probably right.

in response to your last sentence - hold off for a bit man. everyone is jumping to conclusions and they are all jumping to one side of either extreme. by the time the results of the investigation are done you guys will all have dug yourselves into such a deep hole you won't be able to get out no matter what the reality of the situation is.

 

I have to believe that part of the problem is people in the commission aren't really boxing people. They probably don't know what the hell they're looking at most of the time.

 

"remained hush until now?"

people are acting as if Collins Sr. has some sort of evidence. or that because it happened to his son that he his opinion means anything more than anyone else's.

this is a clear case of hind-sight being 20/20.

the only indication i saw in the Cotto fight that Margarito's gloves could've been loaded was not the damage he did, but the manner in which Cotto fought. I know. I know. It's not the first time Cotto has "boxed" an opponent moving backwards. But it is the first time he was as anxious as he was to get back on his bike and avoid exchanges. That says to me he was getting hit with something he'd never experienced before. Something he knew he could not withstand if he were to plant his feet for longer than 2 seconds.

 

I agree, and the constant stand that the Nevada commision keeps saying about how they watched the wrapping so nothing happened, is just them covering their asses.

 

AGREE....IMO Cotto didn't come to fight Margarito toe-2-toe..but he also didn't come to move as much as he did. In the first round he was in front of Margarito punching w/ him a bit..but after that he was moving..moving...moving as if he was fighting Hearns,Jackson or someone with crazy punching power...

again that doesn't take away from Margarito crazy chin and great stamina....

 

I'm really shocked Cintron took the stand that he did about not looking back on it and concentrating on the future. That's a really mature and professional outlook. I would have expected him to be bitching and using it as an excuse.

I knew Cotto wouldn't say anything, not because he's professional but because you can't even get that motherfucker to talk during an interview.

 

Hilarious. Everyone knew@!!!@!@!

 

I have to say, if you turn out to be right, your I told ya so's could stretch from here to kingdom come. That said I just don't see how this can be misinformation and the more likely scenerio will be you taking a short vacation in shame.

 

I'f I'm right about what? ::

And a vacation? Like I've EVER done that. Thats one thing no one can say about me. I'm happy to make my opinion known about anything you'd like, but i've NEVER taken some kind of "vacation" to escape some guys online. Thats just not right.

And I've posted alot of shit, on alot of boxing sites.

 

Well like if it turns out it was a fabrication or it turns out Margartio's team was innocent.

True, you have posted a lot of shit. But if you won't take a vacation, then maybe I'll just have to ban your ass. ::

 

Yep,.. especially that last bit.