Penn will file formal complaint against St. Pierre

Vaseline makes a difference in grappling. I do think GSP wins no matter what, but what I don't get is why you would even risk anything with the vaseline. BTG is right, his cornermen are in big trouble here. I wouldn't be suprised if they were banned from cornering in the UFC. GSP should nap this quick and call BJ out. Challenge him to a rematch with GSP's corner can be anyone BJ wants. BJ will decline it, he wants nothing to do with that ass beating again, and he knows it.

 

Yep, this is not a case such as steroids where you don't know (or at least can't prove) anything until after the fight.

 

It is hard to understand why BJ didn't say something immediately after he noticed it in the ring.

 

Precisely...

If BJ or his Brother Complained INSTANTLY, they've have PROLONGED the btwn Rounds Period, Allowing BJ More Recovery Time...This Could have even Potentially Led to Point DEDUCTIONS, if GSP's Corner Didn't Comply...

BJ's Corner SHOULD have Made a Big Stink about it DURING the Fight, if it REALLY Hindered BJ's Performance....& that's Why REED Thinks this is just a Bullshit HINDSIGHT Excuse...



REED:hammert:

 

Just answer this. Was GSP's camp caught greasing his back during the fight? The answer is yes.

Is that against the rules? Yes it is.

Does BJ have a legit complaint? Sure does.

How the fight played out doesn't even matter, he got caught. There is nothing to debate there. It was a GSP domination.

 

GSP would have won anyway but he is not the first to claim GSP was greased up. Serra and Miller did too. In a way, you just have to grease yourself before a fight to be slippy, shit, i putted some oil on me and I still felt greasy a couple of days after. That is a big knock on MMA as this kind of cheating is very hard to regulate. Very dissapointing stuff from GSP, if it was only the BJ incident, I'd say it was no big deal ( the video of his coach ''rubing'' vaseline on his back shows that at best, the effect were minimal, but what if he did so before entering the octogon), but now, he got a reputation for ''greasing''

 

Just read that Matt Hughes just claimed that GSP felt greasy too and their last 2 fights, seems kind of sour grapes as he would have warn the commision before their rubber match but still, there is an awfull lot of fighter claiming it now. And look at the clips on the link posted by Tko, it's unnatural how GSP slips out of Penn guard

 

Is it an athletic commision rule or a UFC one?

 

The UFC doesn't make the rules. they are sanctioned by the athletic commisions just like boxing. Any MMA card in the US follows the same rules.

 

That's what i figured but i had never heard of it before. In boxing you are allowed to apply vaseline but it can't be in excess. It seems that's really up to the ref's discression as i don't think you could exactly measure the amount.

Is the rule in MMA you can't have any vaseline on your body?

 

Right, I remember Vladimir when he lost to Brewster. They applied vaseline to his legs, nobody said anything because he lost anyway. But if they go by the same rules, GSP just "bent" the rules, didn't broke them. The UFC should then take the vaseline matter into their own hands, because it is so closely related to the ground game in the sport itself, and create a rule of their own. Whatever happens, this situation will force the UFC to make some adjustments.

 

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thiago Alves want his shitle tot :atu::atu:

 

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That is hilarious

 

Which is why greasing him up was stupid to begin with.

 

lmfao.... Hughes, Sherk and all those other whiny bitches are coming out now about the grease shit. why didnt they complain when they fought gsp?...... fucking scrubs.

 

You don't think the win was tainted?

I'm sorry but cheating is cheating no matter how you spin it.If this happened in boxing some of ya'll would be outraged.

 

Cheating is cheating. No doubt. It probably had little impact on the outcome, which makes it all the more stupid on GSP's part.

That being said, my biggest issue is Penn's corner saying their strategy was to NOT stand with GSP because his kicks are so strong. Their strategy, apparently, was for Penn to fight off his back.

I say BULLSHIT. After the first fight they had to think they could get the better of the stand up battle. There is no way they went into that fight saying "OK BJ get on your back as quickly as possible."

By the way, there is no doubt that greased-up legs had to make it easier for GSP to pass BJ's guard with little problem.

 

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The rules for boxing aren't the same. There is no grappling in boxing so you can grease a guy up all you want and he gains no advantage.

Two different sports, two different sets of rules.

 

Its a sad day for humans when a huge ripped welterweight has to cheat to beat a fat lightweight.

 

It's not at all uncommon for victims to step forward after their perpetrator has been caught or called out by a later victim.

Sometimes you don't have proof. Sometimes you can't prove it. Sometimes you don't want to be ridiculed for making accusations. Etc.

It doesn't make them 'fucking scrubs' because they didn't make the accusation right away.

 

I'm almost 100% sure this is not the first time these other guys mentioned that GSP felt "greased"

Matt Serra told BJ before the fight even happend that GSP greased in their fight. Mayhem Miller claims to have told the ref during his fight with GSP that he was greased but "the ref didn't care" in his words.

 

Word!!

 

True, but in boxing applying grease serves as a way to make boxing gloves deflect a bit. At the same time it's not illegal. Only the "excess" use of it is which seems up to the ref to decide.

In MMA is the rule that no vaseline is allowed anywhere period?

 

As far as I know, the rules are similar to boxing. You can use it on your face to help prevent cuts and that's about it.