Fighters who don't know how to live in the ring.....

I don't object to a fighter's holding when he's hurt. I don't think I've given any examples of that to illustrate my point. I hate fighters who use it or running as a tactic for winning the fight.

Of course if a fighter's hurt he should try to hold and clinch for dear life (it wouldn't have saved Cotto by the way but that's not the point).

You're telling me everytime Ali pushed Frazier's head down that he was hurt? And just trying to survive? No. He was stealing round after round by illegally grappling his shorter opponent. That's shit. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. And yes. Frazier's trainer should've been more vocal about not letting it continue to happen. But I do know he made it a point in the third fight to tell the referee that it cannot be allowed to happen and look what we got. A watchable and very competitive fight that in the end could've gone either way.

So what do you say? Was not Ali/Frazier II a shit fight because Ali, rather than fight or box Frazier, just pushed his head down every 10 seconds?

 

Actually, Ali Used that Manuever to WEAR DOWN his Foe...Having a 215-220lb Man RESTING on your Head, Neck & Shoulders Takes a TOLL Over 12-15 Rounds...Ali SMARTLY Adopted this Tactic POST-Exile, when his Mobility & Fleet-Footedness BETRAYED him...

It was a Tactic Ali Employed to LIVE in the Ring PAST his Prime...& it WORKED...

Was Ali-Frazier II a Great Fight???...Of Course Not...N Fact, It was the LEAST Fan-Friendly Bout of the Trilogy...But UNlike YOU, REED Doesn't Carry this Sense of ENTITLEMENT, Acting as if a Prizefighters Job is to Fight N the Manner that REED Prefers...

The Object is to WIN the Fight, Dude...NOT Impress Double L's CLOSE Minded Standard of what's "Exciting" Or "Entertaining"...



REED:kidcool:

 

that's all good and nice except it's illegal and should not have been allowed to happen.

and if every fighter took that attitude - "the object is to win the fight," - you think there'd be guys like Vazquez and Marquez, guys fighting at 122, for a million dollars?

or superstars like ODH?

thank god there's fighters who out there who realize what the fans want and don't just dish it off on the next guy to put on an entertaining fight. we wouldn't have a sport. we'd have shit. and you and about 10 other people "might" watch it.

 

That's all good and nice except you said that Bernard Hopkins doesn't know how to live in a boxing ring. That's really funny.

 

:boohoo:

Which Takes REED Back to the FACT that the Opposing Corner has EVERY OPPORTUNITY to COMPLAIN to the Ref, Thereby FORCING him to Do Something about the "Illegal" Tactics....& Let's NOT Pretend that Vasquez & Marquez have been "Exciting" 100% of the Time, Because they HAVEN'T...

DeLa is a Superstar Because he was EXPERTLY Marketed by Bob Arum, After the '92 Olympics...Arum MILKED DeLa's LOOKS & ETHNICITY, but his Popularity has NATHAN to Do w/his STYLE of Fighting, Dude....

Honestly, U Need to GROWthefuckUP & Stop SPAMMING the Messageboard w/Thread After Thread where U BITCH about Styles U DON'T Like...U're just PISSED because YOUR Favorites ROUTINELY Get BEATEN by Guys U have a Stylistic GRIPE Against...



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You think ODH doesn't have a library of exciting fights? He's had some stinkers, but by and large, he's an exciting fighter. Sure his looks and Arum's promotional skills have contributed to his fame, but his fights are by and large always entertaining and always exciting.


You're right. I "do" have a gripe. I have a gripe against cowardly fighters who break the rules, show contempt for the fans, and stink the joint out so they can have 0's in the loss column. Those guys should just stay home. The sport doesn't need them. Glad to see PBF has taken the hint.

Vazquez and Marquez haven't been exciting 100% of the time? WTF do you want them to do? Pull knives on each other? Those guys fought every second of every round until someone either went down or the fight got stopped. And you, a RJJ fan, have the audacity to claim they haven't been exciting 100% of the time. What a sham.

 

he doesn't. not without blatantly holding and hitting his opponent, head-butting them, or just plain mauling them. The guy doesn't know how to box. As a result, he's adopted a street-style that's not only illegal, but is boring as hell to watch.

 

U're Such a Fucking DeLa DICKRIDER that it's FUNNY::...

DeLa is RESPONSIBLE for THE Most DISAPPOINTING "Big Fight" Performance N Boxing History, Dude...DeLa Pulled Off the Near Impossible, Involving Tito Trinidad N a DULL Fight...Roy Jones Certainly CAN'T Say That...Even Winky Wright was MORE Crowd Pleasing than DeLa, N that Instance....

DeLa Also has a HISTORY of "Shamming" the Public by FEASTING on CONSIDERABLY SMALLER Men During the Early Portion of his Career, a Pattern that he Repeatedly REVERTED To Throughout his Career (Gatti, Floyd, Forbes, Manny Pac)...

Just Because YOU'RE Tooooo CLOSE MINDED to Appreciate a VARIETY of Styles, that DOESN'T Obligate Guys to Fight the Way YOU Want them To....The Moment a Guy Throws ONE Shoeshine Flurry or Enters the Ring w/Tassles on his Boxing Shoes, he's FOREVER on YOUR Shit List:boohoo:...

If U Look @ ALL of Vasquez or Marquez's Fights, they're NOT Exciting 100% of the Time...It's IDIOTIC to ASSume they R...NO Fighter is...Just as NO Fighter is DULL 100% of the Time...

DUMBASS Topic, DUMBASS Poster....But @ Least U're CONSISTENT, Doub...

REED:mj:

 

Yep...

Bernard was "Boring" Against Tarver & Pavlik...

DUMBASS....

REED:boohoo:

 

Double lets keep it real....a fighter like let say Margarito fight the way he fight because he isn't skilled enough to fight any other way...you think Margarito wanted to walk into 200 of Mosley right hands/left hook because of the fans? NO...he wasn't skilled enough to fight any other way..he try to back away when Mosley hurt him but he wasn't skilled enough to use defensive maneuvering....


Marquez/Vasquez those two were born to fight each other...you think they would fight every opponent like they fight each other? hell no....

 

Apparently most everyone who watches boxing nowadays sees holding & clinching as something they can accept, which is too bad. I see that we are even at the stage where there is an "art" to being able to hold and clinch your guy just right so as to benefit yourself. Good god, it's almost to the point where when we talk about fighters' skills we say "good footwork, reasonable power, has excellent defense, and is a pretty good holder".

It's embarassing.

I actually agree with Double L's premise - it has gotten so bad that there TRULY are fighters that are WINNING fights and even getting to high levels of boxing rankings that could not last 60 seconds with a good fighter if they could not hold. I remember watching John Ruiz and thinking to myself that if this guy was forced for just ONE round to keep boxing, and not clinch or hold, he could NEVER last the round.

I like B-Hop a lot, I think he's great, but at this point in his career, if he could not hold he would get flattened. Against young lions with better stamina & power, BHops could not compete in a "no-clinch" fight and if you disagree you're fooling yourself. You really believe Hops could go 12 pressured rounds with a Chad Dawson type fighter with NO HOLDING?

Sorry, Hops is hall of fame, but he'd lose that type of fight. He relies on holding to stifle his opponent, for pacing the fight, for resting, for ring control, EVERYTHING.

But all this is academic, since I don't see any change on the horizon any time soon. But I think ultimately boxing records are ending up FAR different from what they would be if holding were truly banned, or punished by more deductions or disqualifications.

 

What about the OTHER Side of the Coin???...PREVENTING a Guy from Holding U Excessively???:dunno:...

How Many Times was Aaron Pryor EXCESSIVELY Held???...When Roy Jones, Ray Leonard or Tommy Hearns OPENED UP on an Opponent, How Many Times were they SUCCESSFULLY Clinched???...

Like Rob Base Said, "It Takes 2", to Make a CLINCHfest...

REED:mj:

 

:bears::bears:

 

Ah yes, 'Grey Area' and 'Pass the buck',..slimey, twisty 'tactics' Hopkins groupies use to wriggle away from the irrefuteable facts, that a felon is a fucking felon,.. and it should never come to be 'admired', ESPECIALLY when it's an integral part of your success in the ring.

 

Only the first fight was really exciting IMO. I loved that fight, but the 2nd fight was only alright, and the 3rd was basura.

 

Calzaghe holds excessively, 'runs' and can't 'live in the ring'? The same Calzaghe who throws hundreds of punches during fights?

Joe Calzaghe, yes?

What the fuck are you on about NOW?

MTF :notallthere:

 

Fighters that don't know how to live in the ring ::
This is the dumbest thing you have typed on here yet Double Loser.

 

hi Double,

would you think it's fair to say that the average hippity hop fighter cannot live in the ring?

 

How about Jose Luis CastiLLo holding on to Floyd Mayweather in the rematch and trying to ride him around the ring like a horse?

 

Double, now that we're into it and a clear biased Whitaker groupie showed face... I'm sure you'll agree that we should add Pernell to the list of fighter who don't know how to live and have no real boxing skills in the ring and should've picked another thing to do with their lives, along side Hopkins and Ali.

 

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