Joe Calzaghe retires undefeated

Just agree to disagree I guess.

 

i say Good Riddance!!!

I never liked this guy and I think it's a good thing he's gone

 

Never said Ottke was better, never said Ottke had a better career, but you can hardly blame just one guy, when his resume stacks up favourably to the guy he was allegedly ducking. And some of Ottkes close decisions were a direct result of Sauerlands creative open scoring. If he was up enough to retain the belt (rightfully or wrongfully) he voluntarily ran away in the last few rounds.

 

....oh, is that what they call it


....Joe is coming in for too much flack....i'll return to defend The Terminator later on, apres work

 

That´s what I call it. :: It was the natural evolution of open scoring. First only one corner knew the cards, than the WBC opened it up for the other fighter.

 

Retired? Oh well.

 

Well, the Ottke/Reid fight was the "natural evolution" of Open Cheating...

Whatever happened to that Walrus/Whale crossed Ref who kept warning Reid for punching his opponent? Probably in the German Boxing Hall of Fame by now and has his statue erected in Ottke's home town.

 

Fucking cunt. What about Dawson? What about someone not 15 years past his prime at least to retire? :shit:

That being said, he was very good. Better than Tito and DLH.

 

Still working as a judge, and not even a bad judge. Just totally inept as a ref.

 

I agree with you in terms of which opponent was better, meaning tougher to beat, in the ring on the night they fought...as well as how they won the fights.

Both of those go to Calzaghe, IMO.

 

he'll be quickly forgotten

his career can be summed up like this: he was never proven to be top supermiddleweight and had to share the top position with Otke....then Otke retired, Calzaghe was finally regarded as a top guy after he beat Kessler who was good....then he barely eeked past an old Hopkins and beat up old man Roy Jones

:dunno:

 

:: both MichalSHITsky and Calzaghe talk about wanting to fight Jones after every fight...just so people would say "ohh Cal/Dari really want it.." but they never wanted it from JONES....

At least MichalSHITsky cross the ocean to see the most skilled fighter of his generation but after watching Jones vs. V. Hill....got on the plane to never come back.....EVER....surely not to fight JONES.

 

One of the more overrated fighters of recent memory. Built up his record fighting in boxing's worst division for years, he won fights but didn't really beat his opponents

His "greatness" was established by beating Jeff Lacy, a one-dimensional slugger who had accomplished very little of note at the time... squeaking by a still developing Kessler and and out-throwing a 43 year old middleweight, and thrashing a shot Roy Jones ( he ate canvas in each of those fights, to boot)

Seldom has a fighter so busy been so simultaneously boring

I guess he is one of the great 168 pounders (that doesnt mean a whole lot)

 

Ya'll can sit back and argue apples and oranges. I'm gonna give Joe his props. Yeah he didn't have the greatest resume but you know what the dude came in did his business and provided some solid memories. I say congratulations Joe and hopefully he can be a mentor for the sport. I'll Holla 5000

 

Joe's best and more sincere quote.

J.Calzaghe quote on Roy Jones in 2007

'I would never want to fight him now. He's not the same fighter and I'd have nothing to gain by beating a shadow of what he once was. Jones was a great fighter in his day and a great name, but he's been knocked out twice, knocked out cold. What would I have to gain by knocking him out for a third time'

Taken from his Autobiography, 'No Ordinary Joe'

Fucking cunt not only did fight Roy, he retired with that joke of a fight. :doh:

 

Seriously; shut the fuck up...

MTF

 

Calzaghe WAS great; no doubt in my mind, but agreed 100% with ya...

MTF

 

:atu:

STFU

MTF

 

Glen Johnson ducked Calzaghe, Joe beat Mitchell before Ottke did, he also beat the guy who beat Mundine and Mads Larsen was shit.

Chris Eubank> anyone Ottke beat. FACT. Add Kessler and Hopkins (still FAR too good for guys like Pavlik) and Calz pisses on Ottke from a great height.

Ottke was shit.

MTF

 

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Name a better one save RJJ (for the fleeting time he was there)...

Exactly

MTF

 

A great fighter with a style that people mocked but NO ONE could beat. I didn't become a fan until late, after the Lacy fight. :crying:

 

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MTF......Joe actually beat Mitchell after Ottke....Ottke won a close decision.......Joe did beat him a lot more convincingly though, despite having to get up off the floor to do so


.....Joe's career for the most part has been a frustrating one to support. The guys who posted at boxingtime will remember that i have defended him on countless times......on other occasions i have lamented his opponent selection, that whilst driven by Frank Warren, Joe was content with for far too long

The Lacy fight was the turn around.....Joe was suddenly out of his comfort zone....there was no room for complacency....and i think he surprised himself on that night in Manchester.....he got motivated for that fight in a way that he hadn't done so since he became a world champ....and the praise and respect that he was rewarded afterwards fuelled a desire to aim higher, enhance this new found appreciation (worldwide) and leave a legacy

....with that hunger he took more risks.....i think the Kessler victory/performance will go down as his best and won't be put into true context until Mikel achieves what he is capable of......


......the Hopkins win has been unfairly dimissed by some in this thread.....it is an insult to not only Calzaghe, but Hopkins as well, to disregard Joe's achievements by simply pointing to the The Executioner's age......Hopkins is phenominal in this respect and shouldn't be reduced to the expectations and stereotype of what a 43 year old athlete ought to be......either side of the Calzaghe fight are top draw performances, arguably Bernard's best, against Tarver, Wright and Pavlik....all of whom have been p4pers....further still, anyone who follows this sport objectively and logically would recognise that Hopkins, even at 43, was closer to his peak than he was at, hell 30....he doesn't beat guys through physical excellence....but through experience and cunningness.....anyone who glosses over Joe's win is straight narrow minded if not bias

The Jones fight happened years too late and as an achievement alone, a W here should carry little weight....however, the way in which Calzaghe played with RJ, as sad as it was to witness, still underlined the extremely high level of talent this welshman possesses

 

at the time when he was 168 champ, there was always the argument that Otke was also champ...there was no one clear dominant champ this entire time

hindsight and revisionism won't save Calslappy from this fact :mj:

 

:bears::bears:

Yep. He was ringside for it and was never seen in the U.S. again.

 

Yeah genius Ottke beat Mitchell before Calzaghe. FACT. ::

And my whole point was based on the day Ottke retired, when finally the vacant IBF/WBA belts became available to guys like Lacy and Kessler, so Joe could lure them into his backyard.

 

I remember back in the days when some of you said he was ducking Syd Vanderpool :stir:, around the Hatchet Brewer fight I said he'd beat Roy Jones Jr if they fought and the RJJ nutswingers were on me like someone released the hounds.
How many of you picked Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins or Roy Jones to beat him and still continue to hate? Looking back now there is no doubt is Joe Calzaghe a great, time and time again proved the doubters wrong, even coming off the canvas to do so...like a true champ. IMO greater than contemporary greats like Lennox Lewis, McGuigan or Buchanan. It wont be until years from now that his stock in all time rankings will raise. One of the best if not the best 168lber ever.

 

How high in regard was Pavlik when the old Hopkins won every minute of every round against him after losing to Calzaghe? Joe beat everyone he faced, even having to come off the canvas to do so. He is the best Super Middleweight of this generation, perhaps better.

 

That's Because U ONLY Started Watching Roy Jones (or Boxing PERIOD for that Matter) N the Year 2000...Considering U have ZERO Perspective on the 1st 12 Years of Roy's Career, it's Not Surprising that U'd Pick Calzaghe...

Just Know that even Calzaghe HIMSELF Admits that he COULDN'T Beat a PRIME Roy Jones....



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